---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, November 14, 1997 11 AM PST. In attendance: From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker, Sysops: mikael fredriksson, Jim Smith, Ulf Carle, Donald McHose, Jim Leary, Bob Nunn, Jonathan Paisley, Ken Sutherland, Michael Davidson, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- chat logger: <> mikael fredriksson: <> Jim Smith: <> Rusty Tucker: <> Ulf Carle: <> Rusty Tucker: hi, brb! mikael fredriksson: Hej! = hi! Ulf Carle: Hi Bob Nunn: Hey! Rusty Tucker: how goes it? I'm a little slow today due to a cold :( Donald McHose: <> Jim Leary: <> Bob Nunn: Good, my girl just got out of surgery, kidney stones, and is doing fine. Bob Nunn: No cutting just sound? Do it outpatient now. Too damn many cokes I kept telling her. Rusty Tucker: Hope she does well! Rusty Tucker: I should have a new TF User for Windows this PM , this includes Find File ! Donald McHose: That's great news!! Rusty Tucker: It's a little more simplifies than the Mac client version, more like the earlier mac version Rusty Tucker: you specify the search string and location to search Jonathan Paisley: <> Rusty Tucker: Hey Jon! Bob Nunn: Terrific. Had more than a few waiting on that feature. Good enough for a windoze user. Jonathan Paisley: hey folks! Rusty Tucker: After looking at the mac search again, it seems overly complex Jim Leary: Hello Jon, any plug-in luck yet? mikael fredriksson: Any mac client on the way with a fixed "File Basket" that can handle more than 2 files Bob Nunn: If you make changes do consider some of us with complex large ud areas. Rusty Tucker: The Win Search also puts the Found items in a "regular" BBS Files window, and I like that better Rusty Tucker: it lets you sort and display the Found items by thumbnail for example Ken Sutherland: <> Bob Nunn: That 'll be good for Wang's sales folks who down a lot of images. Rusty Tucker: One nice feature is that it lets you search the "Selected" areas. Rusty Tucker: That should help in searching a big site Bob Nunn: Yep. My problem exactly. Lots of CD's and files on my system. Michael Davidson: <> Bob Nunn: Now if we could get users smart enough to use the selected areas feature. Jonathan Paisley: heh Rusty Tucker: its the default choice, so maybe it will get used :) Bob Nunn: Guess I will add a new section to my user instruction library. It should help. People only make the mistake of searching a large area a time or two before they get it. Rusty Tucker: I think that Win users will try and search for *.gif instead of just .gif Rusty Tucker: that will be a little problem since the search doesn't use wild-cards Rusty Tucker: or even q*.* Donald McHose: Bats are pissed , gots to get off line.See ya later Bob Nunn: Why do you suppose mac really never set up to use wildcards. I miss using them. Jonathan Paisley: Can you make it use wildcards then? Donald McHose: <> Rusty Tucker: or q*rep.* Rusty Tucker: and that's a bigger problem Rusty Tucker: in the first case I could just strip the *, but not the last case Jim Leary: <> Rusty Tucker: * is an OK char in a mac file name Jonathan Paisley: Yeah, but that would sort-of work since * would match * ok ;) Rusty Tucker: that's true Jonathan Paisley: I have a nice pattern matching routine you can have if you like Rusty Tucker: I'll take a look at that then Jonathan Paisley: I use it in the FTP Server for matching directory/file names Michael Davidson: if its a window user, stip *'s, otherwise don't; not perfect but they are using windows, what can we do Rusty Tucker: JP - maybe we can talk about the wild-card matching routine offline? Jonathan Paisley: sure Ken Sutherland: <> Ken Sutherland: <> Michael Davidson: short of a wild-card matching routine, you could check for *'s and dialog that you don't support wildcards, are they sure they want to use the character * in their search. Ken Sutherland: ppp is so reliable Rusty Tucker: ppp is ok, modems suck :) Michael Davidson: back to just KS instead of KS2 huh Ken? Ken Sutherland: especially k56 Bob Nunn: Looking forward to my ISDN via my new router Ken Sutherland: split personality... Michael Davidson: I wonder how many "personalities" TF could support?? Ken Sutherland: attention please mikael fredriksson: I got my ISDN line this week this is the first chat using it... Ken Sutherland: For Your Attention Highlander Data Systems is pleased to announce the release of "Online Assistant For Telefinder V2.01". You will be able to download the release version from Spiderisland from Sunday. The cost for OAT is Ł69.99 plus vat for a hobby license and Ł99.99 plus vat for a commercial license. Rusty Tucker: <> Michael Davidson: GREAT! Michael Davidson: ( that equates to precisely how much in greenbacks?) Ken Sutherland: now Jon can get on with the other 7 or so projects we have on the go mikael fredriksson: Please let Rusty sell it, then I don't have to pay sales tax ;-) Ken Sutherland: as well as getting drunk at uni Michael Davidson: and girls (I presume!) Ken Sutherland: don't ask me, he is a member or a drama group ( i think) Rusty Tucker: You mean he's a lesbian Rusty Tucker: err thespian :) Michael Davidson: I guess we should call him Sir Jon now! Ken Sutherland: you missed him in 'the sound of music' Jonathan Paisley: hah Jonathan Paisley: and 'Annie' Ken Sutherland: guess who was the nun Rusty Tucker: ;) Jonathan Paisley: shut it short boy Kevin Shearon: <> Rusty Tucker: that's nice, send us all the QT vid when the show goes on Ken Sutherland: now i have a use for that quicktake 150 Jonathan Paisley: heheh Rusty Tucker: Hi Kevin! Jonathan Paisley: Did any of you hear about the notorious 'Brandon Lee' who was 32 but posed as a 17 year old in a Scottish school? That was my school... Kevin Shearon: Hi guys! Ken Sutherland: it was Michael Davidson: Yes Jonathan, I did hear about that. Rusty Tucker: To recap quickly TF Win 3.1b1 will be up soon, and OAT 2.01 will be online this weekend Ken Sutherland: that explains a lot Jim Leary: <> Rusty Tucker: Ken, do you have to pay vat to ship to the US? Rusty Tucker: I know you have to pay it on the receiving side.. Ken Sutherland: Hmmmmm mikael fredriksson: There is only tax in Europe from the UK no tax to the US Ken Sutherland: i cant get a straight answer Ken Sutherland: is the sale in the uk or USA, i need to charge tax but you can claim it back Rusty Tucker: oh yeah, that will work :) Ken Sutherland: i have asked the vat people 4 times and never had the same answer twice mikael fredriksson: I live in Sweden and you have charge sales tax if I cant give you a Swedish VAT number Ulf Carle: <> Jonathan Paisley: Get them to put it in writing... Rusty Tucker: go with the answer you like best :! Jim Leary: <> Ken Sutherland: have you ever seen a VAT inspector, chills your blood to ice mikael fredriksson: Ulf Carle need more time Michael Davidson: with IRS, if you go with the answer you like best, they will penalize you Rusty Tucker: ok Ken Sutherland: you think the IRS is bad, you have it lucky Michael Davidson: Abolish the IRS....let freedom ring Rusty Tucker: he has more time now Ulf Carle: <> Rusty Tucker: love that web UM Bob Nunn: Its the State and Local that are a pain around here. Rusty Tucker: Just got my 30 day notice on the office, guess I really need to move now Jonathan Paisley: :( Rusty Tucker: That's good actually, should be able to save $$ Bob Nunn: Will you lose the T1? Rusty Tucker: I might downsize it, I'll have to check the options mikael fredriksson: You only charge tax between European Union countries if they cant give you their VAT number. and you don't charge tax on export to non EU countries Rusty Tucker: 128 k would be fine Kevin Shearon: Rusty we are looking at switching from our ISDN line to the cable wave any problems with this? Bob Nunn: Residential 128k ISDN should be a bit better Bob Nunn: Price wise that is Rusty Tucker: ISDN is pricey around here Jonathan Paisley: must go folks! Work to do! Rusty Tucker: Cable should work just fine for you Kevin Michael Davidson: our cable system is VERY unreliable around here Rusty Tucker: I think that you have a 2 way link there, not modem on the backchannnel is that right? Rusty Tucker: At the NACT conf I heard a lot of good things about IP via Cable in Canada Rusty Tucker: fast and cheap Kevin Shearon: I know the Alberta system switched to cable and it seems to work fine but Michael Davidson: Ours is cheap, very fast, but unreliable Kevin Shearon: not sure if they had any problems configuring it Michael Davidson: its Zenith based Kevin Shearon: with respect to TF Rusty Tucker: not too surprising, the cable ops around here are not too swift Ken Sutherland: come to the UK, a 64k line costs Ł8000 a year Jonathan Paisley: <> Rusty Tucker: anyone buy a G3 system yet? mikael fredriksson: I sold one at work;-) Michael Davidson: in my dreams Rusty Tucker: even better! Kevin Shearon: only thing that may cause problems is that our email is all routed to Mail Server, not sure if the cable people can do that, they said something about a proxy server Ken Sutherland: ordered a 266 system today Ken Sutherland: been told up lo 1 month delivery Rusty Tucker: hmm, what does that mean I wonder? Michael Davidson: Kevin, at least here, you can hook the entire network up to cable Rusty Tucker: With some cable systems, they are not suitable for running servers, only clients Kevin Shearon: not sure, but if Alberta did it then we should be able to, our systems are almost identical Rusty Tucker: sometimes you get a single IP to work with, and its similar to the Vicom proxy Rusty Tucker: and that's a problem Michael Davidson: here we get 4 IP #s Kevin Shearon: the cable guy is getting something on paper for me, I told him how it's setup now and what we need it to do Rusty Tucker: Also, do they run a mail server that you can route your mail too? Kevin Shearon: I believe so, they must Kevin Shearon: could save us so serious $$$ Rusty Tucker: If they don't you may need to run AIMS on a second machine to route your mail. Michael Davidson: Don't they all have to have an smtp server rusty? Rusty Tucker: Since TF's mail server passes all outgoing mail to a single host, where it gets relayed to the individual hosts. Rusty Tucker: Its likely that they run an SMTP server, but they don't need to let you use it for relay purposes Michael Davidson: o, that would be a problem Rusty Tucker: Anybody try Bungie's "Myth?" Rusty Tucker: It seems to have TCP-IP capability for running over the net. Ken Sutherland: any comments on the new LaserWriter 8.5.1 and printing via tcp instead of AppleTalk? Rusty Tucker: Apparently you can run a server to host games too Rusty Tucker: TCP should be faster Rusty Tucker: What printers will support it? Ken Sutherland: any that support tcp communication I'm told Ken Sutherland: told its faster Rusty Tucker: I got this note via email today: mikael fredriksson: (you can buy any Postscript printer with tcp support) Rusty Tucker: <> Rusty Tucker: I haven't heard that one, is it a standard sound? Michael Davidson: LOL Michael Davidson: "Sounds" like it is rusty Michael Davidson: I wonder what the sound is when the mail does not go thru properly....:) mikael fredriksson: Rusty Çtisn't it time to go public with TeleFinder new multi homing? (read that WebStar will have it in 3.0) Rusty Tucker: I have one bug I'm waiting to clear, then we should be OK to go Final Candidate, and release the news Rusty Tucker: early next week? mikael fredriksson: :-) Rusty Tucker: Jon, W* is prepping their own FTP plug-in . Michael Davidson: Jon's gone Ken Sutherland: ill let him know Ken Sutherland: but our FTP server is for telefinder Ken Sutherland: for Ken Sutherland: uses UM for authorization Rusty Tucker: yep, and should support significantly better privilege authorizations as a result Ken Sutherland: indeed Rusty Tucker: W* access model is a mess IMHO Ken Sutherland: including messages Rusty Tucker: Just got the latest FC client, the File Transfer done sound is "odd" like a popping bubble Ken Sutherland: if we get the FTP and the NNTP servers up and running Rusty Tucker: I just noticed that the last FC client is dated Oct 21, 1996!! Are they still supporting and updating it? Ken Sutherland: Tut Tut Jim Smith: putting all their effort to WIN?? O) Rusty Tucker: I've also received a few emails about their Internet Server being less than stable, has anyone had experience with that? Michael Davidson: I heard that too...unstable and crashing....also saw they have a FC smtp/NNTP gateway Ken Sutherland: nope, i have been too busy getting my system to answer modem calls above 288 Rusty Tucker: that's the so called "gateway from hell"? Rusty Tucker: Well folks looks like its time to wrap up for today Rusty Tucker: Check the server later on for the new stuff! Jim Smith: <> Ken Sutherland: Bob , thanks for the icon BTW Kevin Shearon: <> Rusty Tucker: <> mikael fredriksson: <> Michael Davidson: bye Ken, Bob Ken Sutherland: we will be posting info later Ken Sutherland: please send it to any list servers you sub to Ken Sutherland: spread the word Ken Sutherland: 8-) Michael Davidson: ok Michael Davidson: <> Ulf Carle: <> Bob Nunn: <> Bob Nunn: Gotta Run catch you next week. Ken Sutherland: <> Kevin Shearon: <> Kevin Shearon: <> ------------------------------------------------------------------ November 14, 1997 -- ŠCopyright 1997, Spider Island Software