---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, January 30, 1998 11 AM PST. In attendance: From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker, Sysops: Jim Smith, Bob Nunn, Michael Davidson, Bill Gram-Reefer, Donald McHose, Bob Wright, Ken Sutherland, Jim Leary, ewik, Rick Palmer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Smith: <> Rusty Tucker: <> Bob Nunn: <> Bob Nunn: Hey! Rusty Tucker: hola Bob Nunn: Question. I want to move my mail to a new partition. If I move the folder, reassign the new user mail path and then have it resolve the paths will that work okay? Michael Davidson: <> Michael Davidson: Hi all! Rusty Tucker: Yes, it should Bob Rusty Tucker: BTW - I was just telling Jim I'm creating some new Web Server Log options to make new logs daily, weekly and monthly Bob Nunn: Happy Days! Never got around to scripting, was just handling it manually. Great. Michael Davidson: sounds useful Rusty Michael Davidson: I might be using the Web functions very soon....will have a dedicated connection soon Bill Gram-Reefer: <> Rusty Tucker: I think I'll probably go with the weekly logs here Rusty Tucker: Hey BGR Bill Gram-Reefer: lovely Bob Nunn: With your traffic that should be about right. The files won't get to large. How does it name the files? Donald McHose: <> Rusty Tucker: Bill, did you see Dale Herman's posting about the BBS Nodes and TCP connect loss? Bill Gram-Reefer: can anyone make a recommendation between Adobe PageMill and Claris Home Page? Bill Gram-Reefer: no not yet where can I find it? Rusty Tucker: (server.software) Bill Gram-Reefer: on it Bob Nunn: I would use Claris Homepage since it now has the built in hooks for use with FileMaker on the web. Michael Davidson: (soon to be Apple Home Page, I guess) Michael Davidson: Bob makes a very good point Jim Smith: I use and like PageMill. Donald McHose: Claris Home page works for us fine. Rusty Tucker: the names will be like webserver wk 06-1998.log Donald McHose: My give dream weaver a try soon Jim Smith: What about the state of Claris:( Michael Davidson: The FileMaker integration is the key Rusty Tucker: or "webserver Feb-1998.log" Donald McHose: names change-code stays the same Rusty Tucker: for daily: "webserver 01-Feb-1998.log" Bob Nunn: That'll do just fine. With Analog a wild card can be used to lump the reports together then. Michael Davidson: Make the names more consistent Rusty Michael Davidson: Always use YYMMDD to name them Rusty Tucker: or for a continuous log, it will stay webserver.log Rusty Tucker: MD - it will be that way if you choose a daily log Michael Davidson: That will make it easier to handle them later Bill Gram-Reefer: yeah, i was thinking of Claris/Apple Home Page cause of the links to FM, too. Although FM is just another factor in the whole PPP mess, not very dainty. Rusty Tucker: webserver DD-Mon-Year.log , that's the daily format Michael Davidson: I would use YYMMDD for all logs...that way, applescript or whatever can deal with them easier and more consistently Bob Nunn: I showed my ISP what we were doing with FileMaker on my pers. server and our work server. He was impressed with both what you could do and the price. But also the performance. Seems his NT box chokes and the Catalog program he is using is around 2500 per copy. Michael Davidson: There will be just 6 days different between the logs by week Michael Davidson: Date the day the log starts only is what I'm try to say. How could this hurt anything or confuse anything. Rusty Tucker: oh :) Michael Davidson: Also, please use YYMMDD, not DDMMYY Rusty Tucker: Yeah, the year first will sort better Michael Davidson: yes Bob Nunn: Until we get to 00? Rusty Tucker: But I think it will be confusing to have a "wed" or "thurs" date on a weekly log Rusty Tucker: it will be YYYY Michael Davidson: and use zero's too for single digit days (e.g., 03) Rusty Tucker: not YY Rusty Tucker: right Michael Davidson: yes, YYYY would be good Bill Gram-Reefer: bob, i found an extension called FM Tuner. supposed to help FM in multiuser mode. Know anything about that? Ken Sutherland: <> Bob Nunn: It hung my machine so the mouse wouldn't move. Brian is using it here at the office and loves it. I must have an ext. it doesn't like. Michael Davidson: weblog.YYYYMMDD gets my vote Ken Sutherland: hola Michael Davidson: Or YYYYMMDD.weblog Donald McHose: aloha Rusty Tucker: using the variable portion as the extension is not good Bill Gram-Reefer: hmmm. I haven't restarted my machine for awhile but it's in there waiting so if It hangs I'll know. Michael Davidson: you're right RT Bob Nunn: It sets up FM so it doesn't have to be on top to give good performance. I would just make sure you were there locally as it resets so you can start back to kill that ext in case of trouble. I will experiment with it this weekend to see if I can find the conflict. I need it. Bill Gram-Reefer: thanks Rusty Tucker: I think using the "DD" portion in monthly and weekly logs isn't consistent with the data the file contains. Rusty Tucker: Same with using the MM in a weekly log Michael Davidson: I disagree Rusty Rusty Tucker: weekly logs are ID'd by the week # of the year Michael Davidson: If you want to make it easy for another program to handle the logs, naming them consistently is the way too go. Bill Gram-Reefer: I'd hate to see you guys decide modem standards Michael Davidson: I do see you point about the "data the file contains Rusty Tucker: As long as you're consistent with the log rolling, it should be easy for the AppleScript to parse any of the formats since they are consistent Bob Nunn: A camel is a horse built by a committee Ken Sutherland: but rusty doesn't support modems anymore 8-) Rusty Tucker: :) Michael Davidson: LOL Rusty Tucker: IP or nothing baby! Jim Leary: <> Bill Gram-Reefer: Paradyne announced a 768 Kbps modem Monday Bob Nunn: I just happy to have it do it automatically. Now I can automate my web reporting without learning how to make applescript incrementally name files. Donald McHose: BR: was that ADSL ? Bill Gram-Reefer: no, but it was hotwire capable able to multiplex one line into several virtual lines Donald McHose: hmm... Donald McHose: brb Bob Wright: <> Rusty Tucker: it must be ADSL or cable Rusty Tucker: no for twisted pair is it? Bill Gram-Reefer: the pr billed it as HDSL killer Bill Gram-Reefer: one twisted pair it says Bill Gram-Reefer: ain't copper great? Rusty Tucker: something like PairGain's modem? Michael Davidson: how bout YYYMM0000 for monthly logs, and YYYMMWW00 for weakly logs, and YYYMMWWxx for daily logs (just thinking out loud) Bob Nunn: Only if you can find a clean pair Rusty Tucker: MD - that might work Rusty Tucker: YYYY-MM-WW-DD Rusty Tucker: a little easier on the eyes Michael Davidson: yes, I haven't thought of why not yet Michael Davidson: could go with YYY to shorten it Michael Davidson: no, guess that won't sort right Rusty Tucker: It needs full year for y2k compliance Michael Davidson: solves my request and your point about "consistent with the data the file contains" Bob Nunn: Another bullet for your promotional flyer TF 5.6 is y2k compliant. Rusty Tucker: yeah, but then they want you to prove it :) Michael Davidson: isn't the burden of disprove on them? :) Bill Gram-Reefer: hmmm, government paperwork. yum Ken Sutherland: RT , silly question time Donald McHose: Say it ain't so .. Ken Sutherland: what is a cable modem exactly? Ken Sutherland: sorry Rusty Tucker: Works off your Cable TV coax Michael Davidson: That is what I am getting next week Ken Donald McHose: MD= lucky Dog\ Ken Sutherland: better than k56? what do i need to use, 2 modems head to head? Bill Gram-Reefer: a cable modem uses a splitter that runs your coax that comes into your house to the TV and splits it off to your computer via some modem to ethernet port Bob Wright: The cable company here is providing free cable modems to schools :) Michael Davidson: Plugs into 10base-T Hub Michael Davidson: $40 a month Bill Gram-Reefer: some require an additional line for upstream that is much slower than downstream Michael Davidson: I think they are doing the same here Bob W., not sure it's free though Ken Sutherland: maybe next year then 8-( Michael Davidson: Yes, fortunately mine doesn't BGR Bob Wright: MD: the modems are free, but I think there is a fee for the service Bill Gram-Reefer: also don't know if they are going to look kindly toward helping with domain names, mapping user domains to your IP address, etc Michael Davidson: o, yeah, I think the same here BW Bob Nunn: Oh sure just a small additional fee. Bob Nunn: ;-) Michael Davidson: BGR, that's where I have my problem...they are unsophisticated about that...I need help telling them how to do it with sendmail....they are wanting to help me though Ken Sutherland: Rusty, got a email from , Nick Young Computer Development Officer Western Education & Library Board, Omagh, Co Tyrone, N Ireland Serving Education... Ken Sutherland: asking why modem connection was cut Michael Davidson: Can someone here tell me exactly what I can tell my cable modem ISP to do to dump all my mail to my domain in a single POP box..where is that configured Rusty Tucker: Yes, early this week or last he called Rusty Tucker: I posted a message in the "announce" thread that the modem's were going away Rusty Tucker: That was 2 or 3 weeks ago Rusty Tucker: He's connecting up via TCP now Rusty Tucker: probably saving the quite a few $$ in trans-atl phone charges :) Ken Sutherland: ok, was going to offer hub access Bob Wright: this is off topic here, but is there a FASTER way to format an apple HD other than using the apple hd utility. It takes 15 min to initialize a 700mb hd Rusty Tucker: He asked about that, and may prefer it Bob Nunn: If you plan to go up to 8.1 someday it is the best way for now. Bob Nunn: FWB has the best formatting software in my opinion but they are taking their time getting support for HFS+ into their product. Michael Davidson: HDT does it much faster Bob and 2.5 is 8.1 HFS+ aware Michael Davidson: Silverlining has some features that beat HDT Michael Davidson: and upgrades to Silverlining are free Bill Gram-Reefer: don't get Ken started Rusty Tucker: I just used "Erase Disk" to get HFS+ Rusty Tucker: it was very quick Bob Wright: 15 min to initialize a 700mb HD is ridiculous. It even takes a minute or two just to MOUNT the disk...geesh Bob Nunn: HDT is what I am talking about and unless I haven't seen something in the last day or two they don't support HFS + yet. They promise to add it. Version 2.5 is current. Michael Davidson: I do know that Silverlining 5.8.2 is HFS+ aware Bob Wright: I am not worried about a 700mb hd being HFS+ Donald McHose: So were is Norton in all this.I have not heard of a concrete upgrade for HFS+ yet ? Michael Davidson: I am pretty sure that 2.5 HDT is, maybe I'm wrong there though Ken Sutherland: highlander is now back at 90% complete Bill Gram-Reefer: I just got NUM 3.5 and see that there is a patch to 3.5.2 that is supposed to be HFS+ savvy Michael Davidson: You test it BGR, and tell us if it wipes out your disk. Michael Davidson: :) Donald McHose: Ya'll live dangerously,a friend of mine was told by Norton it wasn't + compatible yet 3.5.2 ? Rusty Tucker: "In TAPE we TRUST" Donald McHose: ;-) Jim Leary: What's all this talk I hear about Microsoft, Compaq and Intel consolidating their efforts with phone companies to increase internet access by 30 times by Christmas thru regular phone lines? Is it true? if so, would it be costly to the average household computer user? Rusty Tucker: I don't trust the other stuff unless its my only option Bill Gram-Reefer: getting scared about 8.1 and HFS+ is more frightening than Scream 2 Donald McHose: RT. too true Rusty Tucker: which reminds me, I need to get my DAT hooked up again :) Bill Gram-Reefer: JL don't believe it Bob Nunn: Bill that is not right. 3.52 recognizes the HFS+ partitions but they recommend you don't run it. Donald McHose: BR: but..but it's from Micr...and they say Donald McHose: I forgot :-o Bill Gram-Reefer: exactly Bob Nunn: I would recommend you read the OS 8.1 info from MacIntouch. Bill Gram-Reefer: BN: arrrrgh! Donald McHose: ) Bill Gram-Reefer: and Stuffit isn't ready for 8.1 either I hear Bob Nunn: I read it pretty regular and he updates almost daily. I also check the Norton and FWB. I am waiting until Norton has the repair utils before moving my system files to it. My UD area is already HFS+ but I can replace it easily. Bill Gram-Reefer: what's the point. I have 2.5 gbs free...screw it Rusty Tucker: WebServer-1998-01-04-30.log Rusty Tucker: real file name Bill Gram-Reefer: what's the "30"? Michael Davidson: I LIKE it RT Rusty Tucker: todays date Rusty Tucker: 04 is the week number Michael Davidson: (assuming the 01 goes up to 52) Rusty Tucker: right Bill Gram-Reefer: ahhh, math! Michael Davidson: but really, the last one should be only 1-7 Rusty Tucker: no, the 04 goes to 53 Rusty Tucker: the 01 goes to 12 Michael Davidson: right, RT Michael Davidson: 1-7, insofar as you are counting weeks Rusty Tucker: hmm, that's a tough Rusty Tucker: thought Michael Davidson: yeah, but, I think I'm right Bill Gram-Reefer: numerology at its best :> Michael Davidson: We don't normally count weeks, if we did, we would do things the way I suggested Jim Leary: <> Donald McHose: Has anybody seen a real improvement in network speed with OT 1.3 + TF ? Michael Davidson: and for sorting, I think you need to Ken Sutherland: Rusty, a hit list for 5.7, when are we going to C it (sorry for pun) Bob Nunn: I haven't been racing it lately but I can see a spiffier web response. Michael Davidson: The problem stems from you wanting to do weekly logs Donald McHose: BN: thanx Rusty Tucker: WebServer-1998-01-04-5.log Michael Davidson: <> Rusty Tucker: days are 0-6, Sun thru Sat Ken Sutherland: what about a leap year? Bill Gram-Reefer: doesn't matter me thinks Bill Gram-Reefer: just another day Donald McHose: Just skip it ! Rusty Tucker: doesn't matter Rusty Tucker: hopefully the ANSI C strftime routine takes it into account when calc'ing this stuff Michael Davidson: <> Michael Davidson: <> Bill Gram-Reefer: RT, why is my web server log window blank after it was full earlier this a.m.? Donald McHose: Gots ta go for the kids take care..KS: I'll be sending mail to tech-support to-night. Bob Wright: I still don't understand this CHAT situation with TF. At times it stops speaking the text and just starts spitting out garbage which is not being said. I quit and come back and it still does it. Donald McHose: <> Bob Wright: I have to restart the machine in order to get it to speak the text correctly? Rusty Tucker: you closed it. cleared. restarted? Ken Sutherland: Thanks Donald Rusty Tucker: I think that's a Macintalk bug B? Bob Wright: no, I closed, quit and reconnected. The only way to stop it is to RESTART the machine Bill Gram-Reefer: so i should hide window after opening it instead of clicking on the window box...that clears it, huh? Rusty Tucker: Yeah, that sounds like the Macintalk driver is hosed ewik: <> Rusty Tucker: right BGR Bob Wright: right now the machine is SPEWING out stuff like "k...comma...dollar sign....aero....k..comma..."etc. Bill Gram-Reefer: duh ewik: hi every one Bill Gram-Reefer: ewik! Rusty Tucker: where does it SPEW that from? Rusty Tucker: the speakers? Bob Wright: I don't know where it SPEWS that from because no one is typing what it is saying. Bob Wright: yes, I am hearing it from the speakers. Bill Gram-Reefer: scream 3 the sequel Rusty Tucker: Macintalk is toasted, you need to restart Bob Wright: :( ...anyway to avoid that? Bill Gram-Reefer: trash and reinstall Macintalk too it appears Rusty Tucker: don't use the voices ? wait for an un-buggy Macintalk? Rusty Tucker: I don't know Bob Wright: RT: haha...just asking :) Rick Palmer: <> ewik: any one have any info on digital video camera Ken Sutherland: yup, they are expensive Bill Gram-Reefer: $$$$$ Bill Gram-Reefer: 2,300+ Rusty Tucker: Hi RP! Bill Gram-Reefer: time to go, everyone work hard over the weekend! ewik: I am looking at a canon XL1 Rick Palmer: better late than never? Bill Gram-Reefer: <> Ken Sutherland: indeed Bob Wright: What is the best "shareware" program to use if you want to put a presentation on the web? Rick Palmer: how goes it rusty Rusty Tucker: BTW - does anyone have a clean chat log? Mine is polluted with Instant Messages :) Bob Nunn: Mine is okay I only have one group. Can fix it. Rusty Tucker: I'm working on a weekly/daily/monthly log file options for the web Rusty Tucker: The log file names look like: Rusty Tucker: WebServer-1998-01-04-0.log Rusty Tucker: YYYY-MM-WW-D Rick Palmer: say-I saw some talk of Radius plugin for UM.... Rusty Tucker: Ken and Jon are kicking that one around Rick Palmer: I'm the king of kludge and was preparing to do a kludge to enter radius to our Linux box... Rusty Tucker: :) Rusty Tucker: Rick, did you get the Demo update? Rusty Tucker: I took a look at the radius spec, and it seemed a little complex Rick Palmer: Ah, not sure...did you post a new one after I pull the last on down? Bob Nunn: Do you have a later photo plug in. I was going to set up my web server with it this weekend and I know you are working on one that had some buffering? Rick Palmer: yes Rusty Tucker: but there is probably a way to use a minimal subset of RADIUS to support PPP logins Ken Sutherland: not yet Rusty Tucker: I did not look at it closely enough to find out Rick Palmer: logging them out on per time limit? Rick Palmer: I'd probably spend some time on it if I could get a little help with the real programming.... Bob Nunn: Okay will send you the address when I get it set up. Am working on the template some and will have to redo my directories. Still think there is good potential on this one. The need is there. Thanks. Rusty Tucker: right - plus being able to use one name and password for PPP, Email and web Rusty Tucker: and BBS :) Rick Palmer: last real programming I did was when Pascal was a babe Ken Sutherland: Rusty, has there been any reports of 5.6 server quitting with type 2 errors Rusty Tucker: No, do you have one ? :) Rusty Tucker: 5.6 has not crashed here yet. ewik: any one try using Warpsearch or Search server (by the Quid pro people) ? Rusty Tucker: x- my fingers, knock on wood Rick Palmer: I've had no crashes either Ken Sutherland: mauimail has reported that his server quits on a regular basis with a type 1 or 2 Bob Wright: <> Ken Sutherland: is going to install macsbug for us Rusty Tucker: that's good. ewik: I have had problems with OS 8 and 8.1 crashing everything in site Rusty Tucker: probably a couple dust bunnies to sweep out of the Mail PI Ken Sutherland: is that ' in site' or 'on site' 8-) Ken Sutherland: yeah right ewik: he he Rick Palmer: tell him to try running MacOS purge...just for grins. ewik: my desktop is crashing all the time but I am not sure I think it had something to do with the installation on IE4.0 for the mac Ken Sutherland: rusty, done anything about the modems not reporting connections above 288? Bob Nunn: Do a clean install and turn off all un-needed stuff. I run 8.1 with only an occasional problem on my system, at work we still go weeks without resetting but we don't have as much traffic at work. Rusty Tucker: 8.1's been good to me. Ken Sutherland: was talking to Hayes and they cant work out why i am having problems Ken Sutherland: they even sent me a couple of Accura k56 to try Rusty Tucker: It's got to be something wrong with the MDM# resource you're using. Bob Nunn: Are you talking about the logs not reporting about 28.8 connects? Rick Palmer: I gave everything a little more memory and had no problems since on 8.1...never had a problem with 8 Rusty Tucker: Make sure that you don't have one in your prefs file or settings files. Bob Wright: <> Rusty Tucker: Any connect about 28.8 reports "unknown speed" on Ken's system Bob Nunn: Mine does as well and I frequently log on my system in excess of 28.8 it just says unknown. Don't see a problem other than it not reporting though. Rusty Tucker: ahh Bob Wright: RT: user here reports can not login. I login and tell the user it seems to be working. When I check the log it says "ackiles" is not in the user database, yet from MY machine I can log in as "acskiles" got any suggestions? Ken Sutherland: now that rusty has no modem points and doesn't own a 336 will we ever get this fixed? Rusty Tucker: do you know what the actual connect speed is in those cases? Ken Sutherland: 31200, 33600 Bob Nunn: Yes I can see it. I log on from the kitchen to the living room sometimes at 31. or 33. Rusty Tucker: "ackiles" is not the same as "acskiles" Bob Wright: its not a typo, RT.......acskiles is used in BOTH cases, I just typoed to you Rusty Tucker: 32100 or 33600? Bob Nunn: My Supra's give me a digital display. Rusty Tucker: He must have made a typo, maybe an extra space somewhere Bob Nunn: either speed reports unknown. Bob Wright: I can log in as acskiles, but acskiles can NOT...when she tries the log says "acskiles is not in the User Database" Ken Sutherland: as agreed, Rusty, the resource info is there but does not report for some reason Rusty Tucker: Do you know how to edit that rez? Ken Sutherland: your rez is correct for both client and server as far as i can tell Rick Palmer: does she have a "space" in front of her name? Bob Nunn: UPPERCASE? Rusty Tucker: Try moving the response up in the file. Bob Wright: no the log shows no spaces...no case problems either Rusty Tucker: Bob do you have a Supra on the server? Rusty Tucker: Does the client also report "unknown"? Ken Sutherland: yes Ken Sutherland: Rusty, i will send you a 336 if you want Bob Nunn: I have Supras on both but am not at home now. I will look am not sure client does as well. Ken Sutherland: 8-) Bob Wright: RT: I just logged in as acskiles from my mac...then she tried and it would not let her log in. The log says "User name: acskiles is not in the User Database" ...? Ken Sutherland: in exchange for a Cisco2500 Rusty Tucker: try moving the 31200 and 33600 response recs up in the file near the 28800 resp. Rick Palmer: You still have the 2501 Rusty? Rusty Tucker: yep Bob Wright: the log ALSO shows acskiles logging in...this is when I was successful :) Rusty Tucker: I guarantee a leading, or trailing space. Or a non-printing embedded character. Bob Wright: ok, I admit I have not restarted the TF server since December 17, 1997......maybe this is a problem? Rusty Tucker: :) Rusty Tucker: Have her re-enter the name in TF Rick Palmer: maybe her phone line is sooooo noisy that it is seeing goof characters Bob Wright: RT: the log does not show a space... Rick Palmer: she's 100% failure? Rusty Tucker: Open it with BBEdit, and "Show Invisibles" Rusty Tucker: something will show up ewik: need to run do some work TTL ewik: <> Rusty Tucker: RP - I have a Livingston and CISCO Rusty Tucker: Looks like I'll switch ISP's and go with Network Intensive Rusty Tucker: all the Trace Routes showed better results with them v Netcom Rick Palmer: that's the nice thing about ISDN.... Ken Sutherland: good for you, do they have a cheap feaf in the UK Rusty Tucker: They use Centrex for ISDN, so there is not any per-minute charge Ken Sutherland: fead even Rusty Tucker: They're OC local Rusty Tucker: KS - you gonna play with that rez? Rusty Tucker: <> Ken Sutherland: <> Rick Palmer: <> Bob Wright: <> Bob Nunn: <> Ken Sutherland: Rusty, why not increase sysop access per session to 1.5 hrs, people would not have to log back in Rick Palmer: so rusty...would I be wasting my time actually trying to write a module for Radius...I'm a great scripter but ... Rick Palmer: been a long time since I was a real coder Rusty Tucker: I have been as they come up. Rusty Tucker: 120 mins per session Rusty Tucker: unlimited logons per/day Rusty Tucker: I don't know. There was that MacRadius software. Rusty Tucker: Its probably a fairly big project. Rick Palmer: That sounds true. Bob Wright: RT: any TF Client problems with 8.0 or 8.1 that you are aware of? Rick Palmer: I think that getting some sort of Radius working with UM is a must if trying to expand a public network. Can't expect people to learn and maintain Linux and MacRadius is fairly pricey. Rick Palmer: Doesn't do some of the extended Radius 2 stuff either. Rusty Tucker: If you've got Linux source to Radius, it would be a big start Rusty Tucker: none with 5.5/5.6 Rick Palmer: that's easy. Bob Wright: We just got 250 brand new Power PC 550's and I want to make sure TF has no problems with system 8.0 :).....thanks! Rusty Tucker: One thing before we finish Rusty Tucker: Daryl and MauiMail is testing a password changing plug-in for me. If all goes well I'll release it Rusty Tucker: It lets web users change their own passwords while online Ken Sutherland: interesting Bob Wright: hmm.... Rusty Tucker: I have put it together when I made UMPI, but it never move from my disk. Rusty Tucker: If I'm ever able to restart my server today, there will be a page to test it on. Bob Wright: Until you get the Realms where I can add a bunch of access groups at one time, it hard for me to move my system to the web :/ Rusty Tucker: What happened to using BBEdit? Bob Wright: You never told me about BBEdit when I asked before (eg. asking about adding access groups to realms at a duration greater than one at a time) Rusty Tucker: oh! Ken Sutherland: we need to buy rusty a microwave Bob Wright: right now, if I create a realm for /help/ ...I have to click the darn button 30 times for the access groups...and that is ONE realm out of about 75 I want to add Ken Sutherland: we keep him away from his food Rusty Tucker: If you make one realm the using TF's UI, you can copy and paste it easier Rusty Tucker: www-realms.config is just a tab delimited text file Rusty Tucker: rmap BYDIR BYUMACCESSGROUP /files/ bbs Sysop Basic Bob Wright: (this is not a complaint) so you are saying that I can type in all of the access groups per realm? Ken Sutherland: night night Rusty Tucker: bbs is the realm name, followed by tab, Access Group tab Access Group CR Rusty Tucker: yep Bob Wright: I mean I type 90 wpm, so I can handle that is that is how it can be done faster than clicking ADD over and over :) Rusty Tucker: when you do it once, you can use copy and paste Ken Sutherland: <> Bob Wright: ok, I will look into that next week :) Rusty Tucker: See you all next week! Bob Wright: have a good weekend! Thanks for the help and a great product! Rusty Tucker: <> Bob Wright: <> Bob Nunn: I put mine in excel so I can copy, fill down etc. export Rick Palmer: Bob, I'm mirroring TF demo...did Rusty say he had updated it...do you remember?...Went by to fast Bob Nunn: Yes it is updated and now includes a working 30 day demo of HDS mail latest. Not sure what else. Rick Palmer: thanks..Ill update it... ------------------------------------------------------------------ January 30, 1998 -- �Copyright 1998, Spider Island Software