---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, January 9, 1998 11 AM PDT. In attendance: From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker, Sysops: Bob Nunn, Jim Smith, mikael fredriksson, Michael Davidson, Ken Sutherland, Jonathan Paisley, Bob Wright, Juan Jose Tarud ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rusty Tucker: <> Jim Smith: <> Bob Nunn: <> Bob Nunn: Hello Rusty Tucker: holaç Jim Smith: I see we have a double treat today by having 2 Bob Nunn here. :-) Bob Nunn: Must be an echo I only see one. Rusty Tucker: 1 here 2 Jim Smith: I am getting the following message in my news group, DL by Lollipop: Jim Smith: Dear user, This group is not locally stored, but now due to your request it is being downloaded. Articles should be available in a few minutes. Reload this article to see a progress report, and reload the group to see the new items. Nothing is being sucked at present. info: (08:36) NNTP closed unexpectedly {newsfeed.internetmci.com} check dnews.log DNEWS Home page http://netwinsite.com DNEWS FTP site ftp://netwinsite.com/dnews mikael fredriksson: <> Rusty Tucker: sounds like it will be there next tie you try Rusty Tucker: Jon Paisley said he'd try to make it to the chat today Rusty Tucker: I will be posting a new TF Server today.. it has the enhancements for maintaining a PPP link mikael fredriksson: 5.62? Rusty Tucker: it will reset itself 20 seconds after OT reports that the link has gone down Rusty Tucker: 5.6.2b1 :) Michael Davidson: <> Rusty Tucker: Does anyone use FreePPP w/ OT for their server? Bob Nunn: And after I finally got rid of that problem, I did. Michael Davidson: Hi guys Michael Davidson: long time no see Rusty Tucker: I've got TF User to respond to the loss of PPP very quickly too Rusty Tucker: no more force quitting :) Bob Nunn: brb Bob Wright: <> Rusty Tucker: Hi Bob Rusty Tucker: I don't have a list of equipment ready yet Rusty Tucker: I need to look up some prices for the used Macs Rusty Tucker: Does MacWeek still post a list? Michael Davidson: www.uce.com Bob Wright: RT: how hard would it be to send an IM to a user who requests your attention when you are downloading a file (eg. I am downloading a file and can not answer you right now.)? Bob Wright: I mean the message is sent automatically :) Rusty Tucker: not too hard, I'd probably make the"not available" during ZM xfrs though Bob Wright: god idea... Bob Wright: good ;) Michael Davidson: Jim, how does MailToFile differ from Popsicle?? Jim Smith: None, Popsicle is a Reg. TM. Rusty Tucker: how about "DomainMailer" ? Jim Smith: BTW, just got a Power Key, they have a special for $59 to MacWay readers. Michael Davidson: I knew that, but I didn't think that you would have trouble with the name, given the different nature of the products. Michael Davidson: Popcicle would work too :) Bob Nunn: Would seem like you could get away with renaming it slightly - Popcycle Rusty Tucker: Doesn't seem to bother MS -- did you see their new "PalmPC" Michael Davidson: cycle is pronounced different though, except in the south :) Rusty Tucker: I think that 3Com will win that one Michael Davidson: MS should be sued :) Rusty Tucker: just heard a groaner Bob Nunn: Want kind of bicycle do you ride? Michael Davidson: Jim smith, what issue says that about Power Key.. Rusty Tucker: when Sonny Bono hit, the tree, how did they find him? Rusty Tucker: "Sonny side up" :) Michael Davidson: I was thinking motor cycle Bob ...but I got your point Michael Davidson: :) RT Rusty Tucker: Or -- "DomainPopper" ? Jim Smith: MD: not sure, about 10 day ago I would say. Michael Davidson: That's not bad Rusty Jim Smith: MD: they have a special web page order page. Bob Nunn: I love my Powerkey but for one thing. Wait till it recycles your power while you are running Norton. Michael Davidson: Jim, I didn't get any more beta's. Is this popsicle (mailtofile) ready for real world??? Michael Davidson: give me the special web page order page Jim, if you would Jim Smith: URL: http://www.sophisticated.com/evangelist.html - To take advantage of the special PowerKey offer, call 888-339-2232 and ask for the Evangelista Special. This offer is good until January 15th Michael Davidson: Thanks Jim. Rusty Tucker: or how about "PopGate" or "PopperGate" ? Michael Davidson: I was using PopGate for my version Rusty :) Michael Davidson: Rusty, I take it that you don't like "MailToFile" :) Rusty Tucker: I don't think it is descriptive enough... Michael Davidson: (my version uses free Emailer and applescript) Bob Nunn: RT can you talk a bit about conferences and the counters. Rusty Tucker: sure Rusty Tucker: what counters? Bob Nunn: I have some that for whatever reason are showing 0 messages but have 250 in the folder. Rusty Tucker: OK Jonathan Paisley: <> Rusty Tucker: that's because a prog removed the Message entry from the Topic index file, but couldn't or didn't delete the message that it referenced. Jonathan Paisley: hi folks Ken Sutherland: <> Rusty Tucker: It either happens during a trim, or add of a message when the topic's limit is reached. Rusty Tucker: I have not seen a description yet under what circumstances the 2 get out of sync though Bob Nunn: Hey Jon&Ken, Ok is there a way to force it to recount the messages? Michael Davidson: Hi Jon Jonathan Paisley: sorry, can someone fill me in on the topic here? Rusty Tucker: no, those messages are orphaned Rusty Tucker: they are supposed to be deleted, you presumably don't want them in the topic anymore Michael Davidson: I wish the index file was easier to edit Jim Smith: Rusty: if trimming and message not deleted is this reflected in the log? Ken Sutherland: good evening all Michael Davidson: Afternoon Ken Bob Nunn: topic repair. I have had this happen sometime back and I just let them rebuild. This time though it was probably cause by a drive error. I had topics that I wanted to keep. Rusty Tucker: JS - we need to find out when this bug occurs, and which program has the bug causing them to get out of sync Jonathan Paisley: what's the bug? Rusty Tucker: that messages are sometimes orphaned from a topic, when they should be deleted Rusty Tucker: the message file remains in the topic folder. Jonathan Paisley: hmmn. Ken Sutherland: indeed Jonathan Paisley: but we don't know what program is causing the problem? Rusty Tucker: not yet Michael Davidson: Bob, are u using OAT ? Bob Nunn: I have heard that it only occurs on net subject but I have it in my regular local topics. Yes, I am using OAT. Rusty Tucker: I have not seen the prob on our system Bob Nunn: I also run Lollipop but that would only effect the newsgroups.. I restored my TF topics by downloading them from SI. Michael Davidson: Is anybody seeing the problem who doesn't use OAT? Jim Smith: I have also seen it in the FTnet conf. Rusty Tucker: BN - that would likely rule out TF Server, but leave the possibility of mail server or another program that modifies the topic files. Bob Nunn: If Norton changed the dates on items in the folder could that orphan them? Rusty Tucker: nope Bob Nunn: On my old system I had a repair topic program that would let you pick an individual topic to run it on. It would recount the messages. Michael Davidson: Maybe if the index file could be easier to edit, when problems occur, we could fix them easier. Ken Sutherland: good idea Rusty Tucker: The fix is to simply delete those unused (old) message files Bob Nunn: Where is the index file for the topic? Rusty Tucker: you don't want to change the topic file ( the icon you see in tf-user) Michael Davidson: brb Bob Nunn: It takes resedit to really screw something up. Jonathan Paisley: u can't resedit the topic files Rusty Tucker: you just want to get rid of the message files that should have been deleted previously Bob Nunn: Thanks, was going to look. I want them. The durn thing killed 200 messages that should have been current. Rusty Tucker: the topic file refers to the messages by filename/directory id. the file mod date never enters into it. Rusty Tucker: BN - oh, that's a different spin on the problem then. Bob Nunn: I am sure it was my fault. Drive errors or something. Rebuilt and repair area. Can go to backup if I have to. But with conferences you never have everything current since they change quickly. Rusty Tucker: BTW - did you all notice the new version of "Suzie"? Jonathan Paisley: nope mikael fredriksson: yes Jonathan Paisley: where is it? Rusty Tucker: It stays out of user's web space and pub folders when deleting old mail.... Rusty Tucker: sysop files Rusty Tucker: /bbs utilities/ Bob Nunn: Is it still 68k? Rusty Tucker: fat Bob Nunn: cool :) should run in the background better now. Bob Nunn: I think I can use the mail list features from oat to recover. Just set them up and drop the original messages in and let them import them. Was hoping for a repair by file util though. Bob Nunn: repair by topic I should have said. Ken Sutherland: got to go Juan Jose Tarud: <> Ken Sutherland: <> Juan Jose Tarud: Hola a todos! Rusty Tucker: i don't think that will work.... i think the message files only contain the message body Jonathan Paisley: bob: What specifically would you want a repair by topic to do? Bob Nunn: Menu select individual topics. Re-read the folder and repost the valid files. Rusty Tucker: Hola Juan Jonathan Paisley: rusty: Isn't there an option in Mail Server (CINT) to tell it to store the info in the resource fork too? Rusty Tucker: i think that its off by default. Juan Jose Tarud: on a PC with a modem on COM 5 how do I configure TF? Rusty Tucker: Should turn it on w/ OS 8.1 Jonathan Paisley: Yeah--adds an awful lot of space on the disk Rusty Tucker: Move the mode to Com 1-4 Juan Jose Tarud: try with the 4 of them? Juan Jose Tarud: or only 1 and 4 Rusty Tucker: any one of the 4 Juan Jose Tarud: thanx Juan Jose Tarud: <> Jonathan Paisley: bye folks mikael fredriksson: RT: will the TF bbs be down this weekend when you move it? Rusty Tucker: don't think I'm going to be able to move it this weekend mikael fredriksson: next week? Rusty Tucker: hopefully... Rusty Tucker: I don't have an install date yet from netcom Rusty Tucker: but the ISDN is partway in.... Rusty Tucker: but the wires don't reach the office yet :( mikael fredriksson: ok Jonathan Paisley: <> Rusty Tucker: Any last q's before we end it for this week? mikael fredriksson: nope, have a nice weekend! Bob Nunn: Bye now! Rusty Tucker: see you all next Tuesday! Rusty Tucker: <> ------------------------------------------------------------------ January 9, 1998 -- ŠCopyright 1997, Spider Island Software