---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, May 26, 1998 11 AM PDT. In attendance: From SpiderIsland: Rusty Tucker Sysops: Bob Nunn, Bill Gram-Reefer, Jim Leary, Jim Smith, mikael fredriksson, Daniel O'Leary, Bob Wright ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rusty Tucker hola! Rusty Tucker How is BIAP chat working for you? Bob Nunn : I haven't tried the later versions. The early version works fine with one exception. Bill Gram-Reefer joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Bill! Rusty Tucker what's that? Bill Gram-Reefer : alrighty then Bob Nunn : It kills the web server if you start and restop it. I just restart TF when I need to restart the web server. Bill Gram-Reefer : what kills the web server??? Rusty Tucker I c. I'll dl the demo and put it under the scope. Jim Leary joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Jim! Bob Nunn : Actually it kills the whole machine. I haven't tried the later beta's yet. Don't see much of a need since the simpler smaller early version fills my needs. Bill Gram-Reefer : BN, what kills the web server???? Jim Leary : Thanks Rusty...I downloaded b16 and it solved that particular problem Rusty Tucker BIAP Chat Bill Bob Nunn : BIAP Chat the old version if you restart the web server it loads the pi twice and it locks up the machine. I just restart TF Server when I need to restart the web server. Bill Gram-Reefer : yikes Bill Gram-Reefer : so this is a beta, not the shipping demo that I downloaded? Bob Nunn : Not a biggy I have been running it probably six months. I haven't tested any of the new beta's Rusty Tucker Don't know about the demo, but yes to Beta. Rusty Tucker I'm gonna dl the shipping version today. Did you report the bug to BIAP BN? Bob Nunn : Not really since it was version 1.0 and the version they are working on is 2.0 I didn't figure the guy would care. Rusty Tucker I've got Carbon Dating, Explorer 401 and BIAP on my list today :) Bob Nunn : I downloaded the MailSmith demo and can't get it to work. Rusty Tucker I got the Carbon Dating results from TeleFinder User today, and it looks as expected. Nothing too significant aside from the Rhapsody IO Kit not being defined yet. Bob Nunn : Think they might drop BSD and stick with OT? Rusty Tucker That would mean no modem access if we had to convert today. Rusty Tucker They will both be supported BN. Bob Nunn : Carbon won't be around till mid 99? Rusty Tucker yeah, something like that Jim Smith joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Jim! Bob Nunn : Supported on G3's or better I understand. Will have to consider my hardware upgrades carefully. Rusty Tucker Carbon Dating just lets about how much work going to Carbon will be. Not too much for TF. Daniel O'Leary joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Daniel! mikael fredriksson joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat mikael! Rusty Tucker It will be supported -fur sure- on all shipping Macs. I'd expect any 603/604 PCI PowerMac will be supported tho. Daniel O'Leary : Hey hey hey, I'm back online. Daniel O'Leary : Peekaboo to Jim Leary... I saw you on my system before I redid the access groups. Bob Nunn : I had heard they were moving toward supporting all of the new g3 features in it that may not be available to the 603, 604's. Hope they don't make too large a leap. Bill Gram-Reefer : maybe 604, there was some discussion at WWDC about how far back do you go and 603 seemed to be teetering on the precipice Bill Gram-Reefer : but a lot of educators are crying for support for their stash of LC's mikael fredriksson : Have you been talking OS X? Rusty Tucker :) Rusty Tucker yep Bob Nunn : Tell em to put them with the 486's. They got at least double the life out of the LC's Bill Gram-Reefer : Rusty, what of the rumors of a MacOS Lite for handheld and portables to replace eMate and Newton? Rusty Tucker BN - you tried Mail Smith? Bob Nunn : MailSmith Demo did not work after initial install. Will reinstall later today. May have to redownload. Rusty Tucker :0 makes perfect sense to me BGR, tho I've not heard anything different from the rest of the world Bill Gram-Reefer : BN, I have a BIAP ? mikael fredriksson : I recommend that you download the QT3 movies from WWDC Daniel O'Leary : I like QT3... Bob Nunn : Don't understand the question Bill... Daniel O'Leary : very cool stuff. mikael fredriksson : they are "only" 10 - 15 MB Bill Gram-Reefer : well I just wanted RT to let me have the floor then I will ask the? Rusty Tucker go ahead BGR Bill Gram-Reefer : ok, in using BIAP Chat I noticed that when I was trying to review notes left while I was on the phone it would do an auto-scroll to the newest entry..which was maddening if you wanted to read what had been said earlier...is there a way to toggle that off? Bob Nunn : I never tried any of the version 2 series. Version 1 is simplicity itself. I decided after reading all the grief they were having with the beta not to change. Bob Wright joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Bob! Daniel O'Leary : I want a BOT FILTER!!!! Rusty Tucker BGR - that's probably a Java GUI limitation. Bill Gram-Reefer : well, while waiting for your response I scrolled back to the beginning of this chat and your reply did not drag me back down to this section...kudos to RT Bob Wright : RT: Still no new release on TF User to fix the wrong password bug? Rusty Tucker it will be in the next beta - any day now Daniel O'Leary : Noticed that I cannot change voice params with an xfer going. Bill Gram-Reefer : OK, if its a JAVA limitation they can't do anything about it but it is a downside Bob Wright : ok...I thought you had said on Fri that the new version would be out that afternoon...my mistake Rusty Tucker Also, TeleFinder User will get the "Transfer Log" window. Daniel O'Leary : Hmm. Cant change voice parameters other than the assignment of a voice... Daniel O'Leary : Rate and Pitch sliders are not moving here Bob Wright : yep...pitch wont move Daniel O'Leary : Using B9 RT... Bob Wright : running b9 here Rusty Tucker did it work before? Daniel O'Leary : Yes. Daniel O'Leary : Do not know when it broke though. Rusty Tucker do you have the working version still? Daniel O'Leary : I have a ton of old ones here. Daniel O'Leary : Would have to unpack an earlier one to see where it broke. Bob Nunn : Go back to b7. I noticed this in b8 I am fairly certain. Thought it was because the chat was active. Daniel O'Leary : I've been offline for over a week, reformatting my HDS and stuff with 8.1... Daniel O'Leary : Have done a major reorg to simplify things, blowing away the partitions that I used prior to 8.1. Bob Wright : gotta run....hope to see the new TF User online this week :) Bob Wright left the chat. Rusty Tucker c-ya Bob Wright Bob Nunn : You got more nerve than me DO, I only have my files drive in 8.1. I like Norton to be able to fix things. Rusty Tucker I'll be right back! Daniel O'Leary : BN... I had to do it... things were getting too complex. Daniel O'Leary : Was using 5 partitions and tons of aliases to make the system look like one unit. Bob Nunn : Can understand that. Would love to have the space my newsgroups and conferences are tying up. Daniel O'Leary : Am now seeing a very good return on HD space under the extended format. Rusty Tucker yes, very good for Email and Conferences. Daniel O'Leary : Wish that apple would explain the options a little clearer though. Daniel O'Leary : The formatter should return the ultimate number of files available and the smallest file size, when you adjust things. Daniel O'Leary : A really neat utility would analyze the data and suggest the parameters to use the next time the disk is formatted. Rusty Tucker .. past performance is no guarantee of future success..... Rusty Tucker or something like that Daniel O'Leary : Correct, but it is better than blindly setting them. Bob Nunn : Is it Alsoft? RT that makes the HFS+ utilities? Rusty Tucker I just "Erased' from Finder. Very easy :) Rusty Tucker it's been working beautifully ever since. Daniel O'Leary : RT, I have noticed that things are working very smoothly here since the reformat also. Bob Nunn : Do you think Norton is dragging their feet on purpose. I know that Tech Tool supposedly is already out with a supporting version. Daniel O'Leary : I only have a couple hundred meg of files to restore from the Jaz drive to complete the switchover. Rusty Tucker The Win 95/98 NT user is just about ready. Rusty Tucker I need to dial=in to a system to test the modem drivers, everything else rocks. Rusty Tucker DO- is your number still 817 367 2712? Rusty Tucker Also, I've been running an updated Process New User script this weekend. No problems so far. Rusty Tucker it looks like: Rusty Tucker try -- if not (pub Folder exists) then -- if you tell finder to make a pub folder, and it already exists -- then you end up with an 'untitled folder' select mail_folder make new folder in mail_folder with properties {name:"pub"} -- end if on error end try Rusty Tucker for some reason, " if not (pub Folder exists)" was not working. Rusty Tucker you can also comment out : Rusty Tucker tell application "Finder" activate end tell Rusty Tucker that will leave TeleFinder in the front. Rusty Tucker I had several reports of the ProcessNewUser script actual crashing... Rusty Tucker So maybe this will fix it? Rusty Tucker Or it may have been something else. Jim Leary left the chat. Rusty Tucker c-ya Jim Leary Jim Smith left the chat. Rusty Tucker c-ya Jim Smith Bill Gram-Reefer left the chat. Rusty Tucker c-ya Bill Gram-Reefer mikael fredriksson left the chat. Rusty Tucker c-ya mikael fredriksson Bob Nunn left the chat. Rusty Tucker c-ya Bob Nunn Daniel O'Leary left the chat. Rusty Tucker c-ya Daniel O'Leary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- May 26, 1998 -- ŠCopyright 1998, Spider Island Software