---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, August 18, 1998 11 AM PDT. In attendance: From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker Sysops: Jim DeHaven, Bob Nunn, Gary Clarke, Daniel O'Leary, Donald McHose, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rusty Tucker hola! Jim DeHaven : geez--pretty empy Rusty Jim DeHaven : empty Jim DeHaven : Rusty--is there a way to customize the registration box? Rusty Tucker hi - Airborne would charge $135 to ship, guess it will go by UPS:) Jim DeHaven : eeeeeek Jim DeHaven : yes Jim DeHaven : I could buy a brand new one Rusty Tucker not the TeleFinder Registration box, but the web registration can be customized Jim DeHaven : can you constrain things so that they can only auto register from the web then? Jim DeHaven : and not via the BBS sign up? Jim DeHaven : I need them to put in their student ID numbers Jim DeHaven : so that I can pretend to verify that only students are registering Jim DeHaven : so that they don't register every college kid in the country for free chat rooms Bob Nunn joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Bob! Jim DeHaven : hi Bob Bob Nunn : Hello Donald McHose joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Donald! Jim DeHaven : Rusty are you receiving me? is there a way that I can register new members from the web only and not through the BBS? Jim DeHaven : or must BBS auto register be enabled to use the web registration form Rusty Tucker Yes, by turning off the BBS registration Rusty Tucker no, they are independent Jim DeHaven : OK--cool Jim DeHaven : that solves a problem Jim DeHaven : look I have to vent Jim DeHaven : we have 2 subnets at our school--10.120.0.0 and 10.130 etc. Jim DeHaven : all the computers were screwed up on 10.130 and all on 10.120 worked Jim DeHaven : I explained this to our "MIS director" Jim DeHaven : she proceeded to work on overheating of hubs, configuring Netscape on clients --everything except what I told her Jim DeHaven : the problem went away all at once Jim DeHaven : and she felt that her 5 or 6 separate solutions on the same number of groups of machines coincidentally worked Jim DeHaven : well the friggin p[roblem is back tonight Gary Clarke joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Gary Clarke! Jim DeHaven : naturally because she doesn't know why or how she fixed it in the 1st place Jim DeHaven : OK-- I'M DONE Jim DeHaven : sorry Jim DeHaven : of course I would be happy to rant some more if no one has anything to say Rusty Tucker the problem is probably in the routers configuration Jim DeHaven : why does Macintosh speech pronounce routers as "rooters" Rusty Tucker either that, or maybe its because there are Macs on the net :) Donald McHose : Believe me I UNDERSTAND ;-)~ going through a problem with our MIS who believes we have a line problem and I think its probably router related due to errors registering on the TSL unit. Bob Nunn : Type in rowters the spell check ll catch it and it sounds better. Rusty Tucker maybe you've got a Canadian voice selected. Jim DeHaven : hah hah Bob Nunn : rauters? Rusty Tucker Has it started snowing up there yet JD? Jim DeHaven : just a light glaze of ice on the lake Gary Clarke : RT. When you get time could you please change my name logon from: Gary Clarke to Gary Clarke, ta Rusty Tucker sure will do right now Gary Clarke : Thanks. Rusty Tucker next time you login Bob Nunn : My Power Computing refused to power up yesterday. Took it all apart since I figure the power supply was at fault. Got my tester out. Bob Nunn : My wife suggested that it might be the battery. Guess what.... Jim DeHaven : uh Jim DeHaven : it was the battery? Bob Nunn : Yep. Rusty Tucker I've got a 6100 that crashes ( car crash sound ) on start up too Jim DeHaven : maybe that is what is wrong with our network Bob Nunn : Got the fans cleaned out while I was at it. Wasn't a total loss. Jim DeHaven : car crash = bad memory Bob Nunn : Reseat the SIMMs Rusty Tucker tried swapping it, but still the car crash Jim DeHaven : did you pull out the SIMMs one by one? Rusty Tucker bad board or connectors? Rusty Tucker hmm, might try that again Rusty Tucker I'll take them all out and try Bob Nunn : The aluminum or whatever oxidizes. Slide em back and forth while you are seating them. Rusty Tucker Sounds like fun when you've got the "Victoria" voice on. Jim DeHaven : this is the sound with the breaking glass at the end?--that is the sound you mean? Rusty Tucker right, breaking glass followed by air bag inflating Rusty Tucker deflating too Rusty Tucker its a pretty accurate sound :) Bob Nunn : The only time I have ever heard that beside memory is when someone had the SCSI chain fouled up. Like not plugged in good. Jim DeHaven : SCSI chain I thought was a plunk plunk plunk Jim DeHaven : like someone playing a log Jim DeHaven : I mean why do they have to do all this subtle stuff Rusty Tucker exactly Bob Nunn : Like someone striking a tire with a baseball bat. Jim DeHaven : can't they announce "your SCSI chain is broke" Jim DeHaven : or your SCSI chain is broke, eh" in Canada? Rusty Tucker they could, its just a sound resource in ROM Gary Clarke : RT. You would be pleased to know that the server has been up (no crashes) for over 2 weeks, when I was away. Perhaps I should stay away. Also, did you ever test the plugins from BIAP, namely 'Counter and the PI monitor'. Are they worth using? Rusty Tucker I've got a copy of the car crash as a 'sn' file Rusty Tucker I didn't try counter, since TeleFinder has counters in SPML Gary Clarke : Good, I use SPML, much faster! Rusty Tucker The monitor one has a shutdown' problem, same as chat did. Daniel O'Leary joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Daniel! Daniel O'Leary : Am here. Rusty Tucker plus, its not a true measurement of CPU time, it s a measurement of transfer time Donald McHose : bout time! Jim DeHaven : let me tell you about transfer time Bob Nunn : You think that guy would right better utilities for us. Jim DeHaven : After installing our new Microsoft proxy Daniel O'Leary : ????? Jim DeHaven : file transfer times are 50-% of what they used to be Rusty Tucker BIAP - DO Jim DeHaven : now that's what I call progress Jim DeHaven : excuse me Jim DeHaven : the transfer rates Bob Nunn : Ever see the dancing directories? Daniel O'Leary : RT BIAP is a pig. Jim DeHaven : are 50% of what they were Jim DeHaven : the times are 2x as long Jim DeHaven : Daniel this was all for your benefit Rusty Tucker at least my math is correct then :) Daniel O'Leary : It consumes too much of system resources for what its function. Jim DeHaven : but in my initial excitement, the sarcasm was lost Bob Nunn : If you are going to be sarcastic I am going to have to change your voice from Victoria to something else. :-) Jim DeHaven : DO they have a "Judge Judy"? Donald McHose : How about NT 5 being about 18 megs of code in the last beta run. There is some unhappy people right now from what I understand wishing for the days of clean code ;-) Daniel O'Leary : You guys have lost me... Rusty Tucker got be on time DO Daniel O'Leary : Yes there is a Judge Judy on the tube here. Bob Nunn : They have to make it sufficiently complex so they can give out new certifications. Daniel O'Leary : OH, MS Bashing are we? Jim DeHaven : yes but they need a Judge Judy voice in speech manager Rusty Tucker Agnes is OK Daniel O'Leary : MS Sux.... Jim DeHaven : yes Dan--my MS topic for tonight is MS proxy server v2.0 Rusty Tucker I just put JD on Agnes, its a little sarcastic sounding Jim DeHaven : we are in week 3 of the installation process Donald McHose : Oh I see another page of want adds in the Charlotte obscurer for NT network certified people. Big$$$ here abouts. Daniel O'Leary : Now you are Agnes RT.... Rusty Tucker sit up straight Dan! Rusty Tucker see ? Daniel O'Leary : hahahjahahahahah Daniel O'Leary : An old school marm. Rusty Tucker but BN saying "Slide em back and forth while you are seating them." as Victoria is the best Daniel O'Leary : hahahaha3 Rusty Tucker ok -- seriously now Bob Nunn : ;-) Rusty Tucker a bit for the record that came up talking with Jim D this PM Rusty Tucker TeleFinder 1474/tcp TeleFinder TeleFinder 1474/udp TeleFinder Jim DeHaven : I have sent our NT Goddess the information already Rusty Tucker That's where you can find TeleFinder's "official" TCP slot in the RFCs for Network Assigned numbers. Jim DeHaven : Earlier this week she told me to stop wasting her time with my questions Daniel O'Leary : Impeach her and get a real network OS in place for your backbone. Bob Nunn : Tire Tool in the parking lot time.... Rusty Tucker ohhh.. Jim DeHaven : She who has had the network down for 3 weeks Bob Nunn : Sometimes you just have to explain things in terms people can understand. Jim DeHaven : Like **I** amn inconveniencing her????? Jim DeHaven : she who plugged a parallel printer into the Mac SCSI port and wondered why it didn't work? Rusty Tucker Any way, its an official Internet RFC, and should help in disputes with your net admins Donald McHose : We have to get yours and ours together! maybe they will cancel each other out! Daniel O'Leary : That is the was with mircoserfs... Daniel O'Leary : hahaha Jim DeHaven : Are they like antimatter Don? Jim DeHaven : twould be nice Bob Nunn : Tie their legs together and throw them over a clothes line. Jim DeHaven : yeaaaausss Donald McHose : Good one. Daniel O'Leary : Better yet give them a national audience and a USB scanner. Jim DeHaven : If they designed my house, every outlet would have a different voltage Bob Nunn : Listened to a presentation from AT&T this morning on web solutions for our company. FrontPage and NT Server. Looks like a plan to me. Got to be a better deal they have this securebuy logo deal.... Daniel O'Leary : What?!? Jim DeHaven : FrontPage sucks enormously Bob Nunn : Ever swipe a FrontPage generated page and then clean it up? Daniel O'Leary : Anybody want a copy of BackOrifice? Jim DeHaven : it produces more non standard html per square meter of paper than... Daniel O'Leary : Than my youngest son. Rusty Tucker Didn't I just hear that MS won't allow use of FP extensions on their servers? Daniel O'Leary : or a cat on the keyboard. Jim DeHaven : exactly what I was going to say Rusty Tucker Something about security concerns Daniel O'Leary : hahahaha Bob Nunn : My wife and daughter use in a week? Daniel O'Leary : M$ does not understand security. Bob Nunn : What is an FP ext? Daniel O'Leary : Period. Daniel O'Leary : RT, my speech just broke. Rusty Tucker Front Page extensions, an SPML sort of thing Bob Nunn : They were set up so that I would have to send an email before my sight would go live. Daniel O'Leary : it is now uttering garbage. Jim DeHaven : Rusty--can you tell me where you read that? Jim DeHaven : I would love to email that to our MIS person Rusty Tucker may not be a reliable source. slashdot.org Jim DeHaven : she is totally paranoid about security Daniel O'Leary : Email them a copy of "Saran Wrap" instead. Daniel O'Leary : hehe Jim DeHaven : I would love to have her scared that front page was insecure Rusty Tucker have chain Rusty Tucker will yank Daniel O'Leary : it "wraps" a copy of a program that breaks WindHOZE machines. Bob Nunn : Go up on the 2600 newsgroups and brag about how your sight has NT on it and it is impossible to break into. Jim DeHaven : exactamundo Jim DeHaven : hah hah hah Daniel O'Leary : hehehehehehe Jim DeHaven : fantastic idea bob Daniel O'Leary : Send "veggie" a challenge at cultdeadcow.com. Bob Nunn : Make sure you leave your MIS director email address. Daniel O'Leary : or is that your mis-director... Rusty Tucker better yet, forge the mail as from her :) ( not really recommended, darn it ) Daniel O'Leary : hehehe Bob Nunn : RT you think FM Pro will improve with the next releases... Daniel O'Leary : send it thru an "anonymous remailer" Rusty Tucker have no idea really Jim DeHaven : well it is supposedly going to be OBDC compliant--is that the right acronym? Bob Nunn : Thought perhaps you might have seen where their reorg is working etc. Haven't heard much lately but they were talking about some improvements in OBDC compliancy Jim DeHaven : Of course our idiots are using ACCESSS to deliver our student records Jim DeHaven : excuse me Rusty Tucker that means that you can use ODBC drivers to talk to it instead of Apple Events Jim DeHaven : ACCASS Jim DeHaven : spelling error dan Jim DeHaven : yes Rusty Daniel O'Leary : Wonder how many records get ALTERED by hacks. Rusty Tucker You can make an ODBC driver to talk to tab-delimited text, if you catch the meaning Daniel O'Leary : M$Excuse JD. Jim DeHaven : well those evil hackers are everywhere Rusty Tucker err, "crackers" thanks Bob Nunn : I think I was better off with Lasso and the older version. I think the trouble may be the activity is increasing. Daniel O'Leary : It is an EXCUSE for a RDB. Jim DeHaven : speaking of ODBC Daniel O'Leary : grin. Rusty Tucker hacking is GOOD Daniel O'Leary : You bet. Rusty Tucker cracking is BAD Jim DeHaven : understood Jim DeHaven : sounds like an anti drug commercial Daniel O'Leary : Yep... at least that is the defacto ruling on the terms. Jim DeHaven : coke is good Jim DeHaven : cocaine is bad Bob Nunn : I need to know more about EDI is there a site that someone could recommend. Rusty Tucker and BEER RULEZ! Daniel O'Leary : Electronic data interchange? Daniel O'Leary : ...document.... Rusty Tucker hey, its been fun, but I gotta run Gary Clarke : Anyone. I need a FileMaker password finder. I've tried all the usual ones from 'Jackal' but they are not working. I am running 8.1 with FM 3 and 4. Any clues? Bob Nunn : Yep they bring this up as the best way for us to receive orders. Rusty Tucker any last q's? Jim DeHaven : well at least you showed up this year Jim DeHaven : this week Donald McHose : Any thing up your sleeve soon for TF? Jim DeHaven : my self image has improved Rusty Tucker we'll work on your actual looks next week ;) Daniel O'Leary : hehe. Rusty Tucker gotta release DM! Daniel O'Leary : Anyone running TF on an Imac yet? Jim DeHaven : I am getting a mohawk Rusty Tucker get a GIF up then! Daniel O'Leary : Are you looking for pix RT? Jim DeHaven : Is it real or is it photoshop? Donald McHose : OH....poleeese!~ Daniel O'Leary : I have a cheezy movie of my brother and I. Rusty Tucker I signed up to Win (Imac) on the radio here Rusty Tucker They're giving away 3 per day Daniel O'Leary : Good luck... they sold out in minutes here. Bob Nunn : I signed up on the apple site. Probably got a good chance, huh... Jim DeHaven : I signed up to win a years supply of floppies Rusty Tucker :) Bob Nunn : I already get them I have my friends bring me the AOL mailings. Rusty Tucker Maybe we should get some GIFs of ourselves to liven up the chat site. Rusty Tucker ( he means a years worth for Imac ) Donald McHose : luck to ya ! and by all I better get back to work before some geek wonders about the California activity. See ya Donald McHose left the chat. Rusty Tucker c-ya Donald McHose Jim DeHaven : it would be nice if we could send them to each other **during ** the chat Bob Nunn : I sometimes miss the old video chats. Would be okay... I am slow you know.... Rusty Tucker yep, get my T1 back and a copy of Whitepine server.... Rusty Tucker oh well. Bob Nunn : Lots of Good Press and the 5.7 release??? Rusty Tucker maybe ! Rusty Tucker Will see you all Tuesday Bob Nunn : Hey if Apple Stock can come back that much,, who knows. Jim DeHaven : bye ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- August 20, 1998 -- ŠCopyright 1998, Spider Island Software