Josefo: hi there Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Hello I see you are early too Josefo: yes, was not shure about time Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Well they should be Johny on the spot at 12:00 here in Memphis Josefo: I am in Chile, it is 1 pm in here Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Looks like you got to eat lunch at least. I run Operator Headgap. I think a few of your users visit my system occasionally Josefo: I am not shure, my bbs is called El Precipicio it is at bbs.precipicio.cl and our web page is at www.precipicio.cl Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: I ll make sure and stop by for a visit. I am bbs.headgap.com and www.headgap.com Josefo: ok, i am taking note Josefo: how is the image reception ? Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Select the type window to talk or you write on your image. Your reception is good. My wife Cheryn has joined us Cheryn: MISSING HALF THE PIXELS Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Cheryn you ll have to wait a second it takes a bit of time to draw Josefo: yes I know it happens all the time when I reposition my image i forget to click on the chat window rusty: Hi there Josefo: hi rusty, greetings from chile SpiderChris: hello everyone Josefo: hi cheryn Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Good morning Chris and Rusty. Cheryn: hi, thought i'd join ya'll a moment today. SpiderChris: sounds good Cheryn, welcome aboard! SpiderChris: cheryn, we're having trouble hearing your audio.... Cheryn: i've got it turned off! I talk too much. rusty: We didn't set up a specific topic today.. so why don't se open it up to questions? SpiderChris: hehe... Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Cheryn is my wife, she helped me set up Operator Headgap and Wang's Online Josefo: rusty, is there any plan to make telefinder the interface to go directly to the web ? Allon: OK, what's the status of a attachment to WIN email Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Are you guys going to eventually set up so we can serve PPP?? rusty: As a matter of protocol in our chats.. Plz use the Talk Window to ask questions. We log the chats and post them on the web afterwords. rusty: Windows first... SpiderJose: Hi evrybody! Allon: Windows first, what? rusty: We're updating the Windows client to support file attachmens in topics and email. Josefo: hola jose gusto de saludarte Allon: YES! What's the time frame? rusty: There will be a beta of it next week. Allon: YES! rusty: Monday or Tuesday. Allon: YES Allon: That is fantastic Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Thats terrific! Will make lots of users happy rusty: I think so too :) Allon: HEy by the way. I think you should update the documentation SpiderJose: Hola Jose, como esta? rusty: now for PPP Allon: to reflect that .htm requires a mime type rusty: PPP is in the plans, but there is not a specific time table yet Josefo: bien SpiderJose aqu’ desde chile Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Can't afford the bandwidth right now anyway but have been thinking about it especially after reading what is happening with Drew rusty: As we get farther along on the project we'll be able announce specific product plans and release dates. Allon: I couldn't find the it written anywhere about having to specify in the Inet config about the .htm extension rusty: Marcy was going to join us today as well, she is now an ISP using TeleFIinder and Vicom's gateway. Allon: How is she dishing out PPP connections? rusty: Every extension needs to be entered in Internet config. rusty: She's using Vicoms gateway Josefo: rusty, how do you use telefinder as gateway Allon: right- .html doesn't though. And it doesn't state anywhere that .htm does. Jose filled me in though Allon: Jose, wheres my spml stuff? rusty: That's only because html is part of IC's pre-defined types. Allon: Got it together now. Allon: You might want to put that on the web page SpiderJose: Allon: Still putting that stuff together. Allon: I'm pretty happy with my setup now, I'm just waiting for the Win client to come along Allon: You know, I'm close to a full info-mac mirror Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: I have played with SPML after our last session and now have page counters, and the 8 ball working on my site. Powerful stuff, would like to see more forms examples up. rusty: Are you using DoppelGanger for that Allon? SpiderJose: Josefo, what type of gateway do want to add? Allon: Yes Allon: I'm one of 2 Allon: I helped Daniel with his support Josefo: in my site I have counter, the guest book and chat rusty: I'll post our signup forms online for further example Josefo: www.precipicio.cl running through tlefinder server Allon: And I host his mailing list Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: That would be great. rusty: you can see what I mean at > http://www.spiderisland.com/demo/demoreq.html Allon: Anyone watch TV at this hour? Bail bonds and body pierceing commercials Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Chris have you thought about making Susie a more open report type generator that we could specify what we want? rusty: Josefo, what do you mean by "gateway"? SpiderChris: Bob, yea i've come up with at least a plan to do that, although we may end up putting Suzie's features directly into User Manager... Allon: That would be great chris Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Sounds like a better plan to me. I have really started to use it more and with the spml include file I can brag on my top uploaders on the web page. Helps participation. Josefo: I am using Telefinder as web server and mail server, I wnat to know if telefinder can be used to access Internet through dial up accounts and or if tlefinder will support getting to the bbs and through an icon get to internet web pages Allon: Are you going to implement an export user data as text file from the UM? Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Can you set up Telefinder Client as a mime type? rusty: I see, a couple of other sysops have now begun setting up as full ISPs using TF for web, bbs, and mail, and Vicoms gateway for PPP. SpiderChris: Allon, yes i do plan to do that... (i assume that you're interested in getting all the fields exported, is that what you mean?) rusty: We are working on our own PPP, but don't have release dates or beta dates yet. SpiderChris: Hi Drew rusty: Hi Drew Allon: Yes, remember a couple of months ago we talked about some of the UM features? Drew's Office (NY): Hey Rusty! Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: I use a lot of report generators at the office and am spoiled by being able to pick and choose fields. Allon: For instance when it launches w/o a new user settings it warns you Josefo: then it is not so crazy to think of telefinder users getting trough an icon of the bbs into the web ? Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Of course if it all came out I could set up templates in Filemaker and if I get smart enough link the filemaker with html if I want something on the web from the bbs rusty: No, not like that. They will be able to use their PPP to dial into a TF serrver, then use netscape, tf eudorua, CUSM, etc.... it will be a full IP connection, not just web access. SpiderChris: Allon, it does warn you.... Allon: since when? Allon: Last we talked, you checked it and it didn't Drew's Office (NY): Rusty, what about the "browser launch" feature we kicked around? Any ideas on that? Allon: unless you added that to the very latest Allon: I second the browser launch feature Josefo: that is what i am asking for Allon: Hi drew congradulations, I am looking forwrd to your success Drew's Office (NY): Thanks Allon. We're getting excellent response on the MacConnect side here. Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Drew have you made up a user install package? Allon: Chris was this added to the latest UM beta? SpiderChris: Allon, that has been in user manager for years.. Allon: Try it, i can wait Drew's Office (NY): We're working on that now. Still trying to finalize the lineup besides TF and Explorer. Allon: remove the prefs and launch um Drew's Office (NY): Trying to get Netscape into the mix, but they are SLOW to repsond. rusty: I just tried UM 5.1 and it warns me thet I dont have a mail path Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Just curious have had trouble figuring a way for users to have the right tcp to work Allon: When you logged in, or when you launched it? rusty: hane you looked at Internet monkey rusty: at launch time Drew's Office (NY): Internet monkey? rusty: Its from the RockStar guys.. supposed to automate a PPP setup Drew's Office (NY): Cool. Haven't heard about that yet. I'm going to check it out right now. Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: The internet monkey is wonderful. Install FreePPP 2.5v2 works great but what if they have 7.5 only on their system with the older TCP? SpiderChris: Allon, throw away the prefs file for User Manager, launch and immediately an alert comes up that says the user mail path is invalid. Allon: I just tried it now again rusty and it didn't give me any warning rusty: And you're using the 5.1 release version, or something else? Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: I have been working on a Mac ISP install for my provider. I get discount connections from him. SpiderChris: that's very strange allon... Allon: 5.1b2 Drew's Office (NY): The ASCEND guys are persistent! I cant get them to stop calling )-: rusty: I don't know now the monkey works with other system versions. Allon: When we talked chris 2 months or so ago you were able to reproduce this error Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: It would be easy if everyone had 7.5.3 or better. That really is too much to ask unfortunately. I have done a few custom installs for them and I always have to update. rusty: I think that was a problem in one of the betas that was fixed. SpiderChris: Allon, i believe there's a bug in 5.1b2 that's causing this. It works correctly for 5.1. Allon: Didn't work for me in 5.1 either Allon: This brought up another feature needed in UM when we spoke rusty: Plz try again with a new copy from the BBS. Allon: OK Allon: will try again rusty: Jose crashed SpiderChris: hehe Allon: have him send me the STDLOG ;) Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Too many goofy extensions, Jose?? Josefo: drew, sorry for my ignorance, what exactly did you do ? rusty: The next rev of TF Server will have a couple of SPML changes:... rusty: it now has a -#else command to go with #if and #ifnot rusty: + support for homepages in sub-directories Allon: SOunds good about the new TF Drew's Office (NY): Try www.aecnet.com and www.macconnect.com for examples rusty: so if you request www/docs/ tf will look for www/docs/homepage.html Drew's Office (NY): Downloading the Monkey demo now ... Josefo: ok, thanks drew rusty: also, #include works a little differently Allon: PS, before I go back to another rev of UM, did you try launching it now without the prefs? rusty: Hi Dragon, yourr picture is very dark rusty: Allo, yes both ways Drew's Office (NY): Rusty, I suppose the #else will help in verifying the contents of multiple fields in a form. Drew's Office (NY): Thanks. Dragon: Hello,finally I can connect with Telefinder reflector(only one hour a day?).I've disconnected my camera rusty: You had asked about #if followd by multiple forms fields Allon: Rusty, will the next beta win correct the bugs i sent last night? rusty: The structure makes that a little difficult, in SPML you can compare an item to muliple constants, but cannot operate on multiple items in one command. SpiderJose: Hi Ken. Drew's Office (NY): Ah. We'll have to hack something together that deals with that. The #else will help. rusty: There will be a warning about closing mesasges, but not the others in this rev Dragon: I'm an italian Dragon rusty: This item "2) Some applications view as 0k size." Josefo: drew, was i was in macconnect, are you still going to use AIMS after Appple announced to lack support of it ? rusty: Is beacuse the file is 100% resource, and 0 k's for a Win user to download. Allon: That is definately a WIN only bug Drew's Office (NY): BTW, we took your advice and ordered two 180MHz 604e machines - 64MB RAM and 4Gig 7200RPM striped RAID. Allon: What is 100% resource? Allon: It's always an application Drew's Office (NY): Looks like AIMS is only going to be used as a relay out of the domain. TF Mailserver will handle most of the mail duties. rusty: there is no data fork, only resource. like most non-fat apps are Josefo: and Mac DNS ? rusty: until we add domaing routing :) Drew's Office (NY): I'd kill AIMS completely and just use one of the Sparcs running Sendmail as the relay, but you can't really run a service called MacConnect with a Mac mailserver (-: Drew's Office (NY): MacDNS will be used as the primary DNS, backed up by traditional UNIX based BIND. rusty: You should look at QuicDNS Pro -- its a full bind fro mac Allon: Which 604e model are you using, Drew? Drew's Office (NY): Domain routing in MS would be very cool. Its already blows the doors off of AIMS. Drew's Office (NY): Power Computing. PowerTower 180e. SpiderChris: MacDNS works well, but QuickDNS Pro from Men & Mice an excellent name server for Mac... we use it here to manager the hundreds of TFNet systems. Bind compatible, fast, and reliable Allon: got it Josefo: yes I am planning to change to Quick DNS PRO it sis faster also rusty: Josedfo, where did you read about Apple dropping AIMS? Drew's Office (NY): So I hear, but we want to keep an Apple package in the mix somewhere. (-: rusty: They've never had tech support for it, is that what you mean? Drew's Office (NY): I heard the Cybertech group is breaking up. They were in charge of AIMS. That might be the deal. Josefo: in the evangelist is a letter in response of the announcment that is excellent it is from a guy in belgium or sweden not shure) that is the LARGEST and almost only ISP rusty: They pulled the Cyber guys into the main networking group. rusty: I hope that's for the better, mayeb they will mainstream some of the products. rusty: ( and not just drop them all :) rusty: when did you see the ISP letter? Josefo: The problem is about confidence, it is nor the first time Apple drops it«s own stuff after people have used them Drew's Office (NY): Ah. I had heard that a couple of the main Cyber guys broke camp to start their own company, and that the rest of the group was disbanding. rusty: I did not see that in the Macway Evangelist.. rusty: Do you remember what date it was? Ramon Rodriguez: Hi, everybody! This is Ramon, from Italica BBS in Spain. Drew's Office (NY): Its funny, we can start MacConnect with products completely based on the MacOS, with NONE of them coming from Apple. (-: Josefo: rusty, sorry it is a letter that came to me through MACSENSE HOT BITS SEPTEMBER 13 Josefo: I have it right here rusty: I don't know about that, I thought you meant Guy K's evangelist. Plz fwd me a copy. Allon: Drew, how many nodes do you plan to host on each server? Josefo: your email ? rusty: rusty@spiderisland.com Drew's Office (NY): We're hoping that the 604e machines will allow 40 or so nodes with relative ease. Allon: Then why 64 megs per server? Allon: Shouldn't you get away with 40 megs or so? Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Everyone running 7.5.5? rusty: We are, and OT 1.1.1b8c7 -- but have started to notice a lockup problem. Allon: no not yet Allon: Josefo: rusty, the letter is in your mail Drew's Office (NY): Not counting POP3 nodes and the fact that the servers will also be handling mail and web duties, hence the extra RAM Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Would like to try ot on my Quadra 650 Server now. Allon: got it Allon: thanks drew Allon: I also forgot about the web threads and caching Allon: Rusty, why does FTP get such better file transfer speeds? rusty: I did see that letter, about dropping EG and NetFinder. Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: I hate that about netfinder I thought it was promising SpiderChris: yea, eg was really promising too..... rusty: Primarily error correction overhead, and its optimize for modem speed rather than net speeds. Allon: but, that much of a difference? Allon: On my line it was around 600% increase rusty: We see about 2 to 1 differnce here. rusty: Maybe you;re testing with the windows client? Allon: No, i sent you the photo Josefo: i will mail you the september 9 letter. there it was the original notice Allon: Any insight to the windows client fix for transfers? Josefo: In any case, the main point is in the letter, Apple droping to many proyects Allon: I like the client more and more rusty: nothing yet, I suspect it needs to be 32 bit to work well with the Win95 tcp Allon: OK rusty: I did not get a picture with the email you sent me Allon: I can resend it Allon: I actually know why you only see a 2 to 1 difference now that I think about it Allon: Your using an ADSP node right? rusty: The descirption of how you tested it is probablyu more helpful. rusty: TCp-IP rusty: are you using ADSP??? Allon: No Allon: here's how I tested it Ken Sutherland: hi,i made it SpiderChris: hi ken rusty: just in time to say goodbye Ken :( Ken Sutherland: uk feed is crap rusty: ANy last Q's before we wrap up? Ken Sutherland: any chance u could delay by 1 hr Allon: OVer a frame connection (Hi Ken) I used anarchi to DL the tfuyser from your ftp site Allon: The I tried DLing using the client and the diffence in speed was 600% Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Thanks guys I enjoyed it again. Learned a few new things. Lunch is getting cold. Allon: bye bob SpiderChris: take care all..... see you next week Allon: bye rusty: We've considered an afternoon session ( would be about midnight your time ) SpiderJose: Bob, I'm adding your BBS to our BBS list today and I need some more info from you... Josefo: goodbye everyone rusty: would that be OK Ken? Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: What can I do for you Jose? Ken Sutherland: better than 6pm tho SpiderJose: What's your preferred email address... Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: headgap@headgap.com rusty: oh, you are 7 hrs ahead? then it would be 11 pm SpiderJose: Do you have finger turned on? Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: My web page is in your format Allon: Rusty tell me what info you want on the FTP comparison Josefo: I need to know who is in charge of tfnet Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: Would you like me to send you the html and graphics? rusty: Jose is managing it Josefo Ken Sutherland: jose? SpiderJose: What can I help with Josefo? Allon: ANy other info necessar, Rusty Ken Sutherland: did u try max Josefo: ok, SpiderJose, I need to join TFNEt, I sent an email with the requested info, my bbs is called El Precipicio SpiderJose: Bob, I have a few more questions but I'll just email them to you in a few minutes ok? SpiderJose: Josefo: When did you send the TFNet application? Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: okay. I will watch for it. If I can make it easy for you let me know I can send simpletxt etc. already to insert. SpiderJose: Ken: Was the max question for me? Ken Sutherland: yup Josefo: My problem is tha that i am registered in TFNET already but never started and lost the information. Ken Sutherland: tut tut SpiderJose: Bob: I have a FM database for the BBS LIst that exports HTML code... SpiderJose: Josef: I'll resend your confirmation letter. Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: You should have received a request for TFNET For me also but I am patient. Josefo: ok, thanks a lot Ą Bob Nunn Ą O.Headgap: bye! Lunch is cold now. See you next week Ken Sutherland: ta ta SpiderJose: Ken: I haven't had a real chance to work with it since I've been working on other projects but I'm hoping to get to a lot of testing next week tho. I should be able to give it a good workout.