---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, February 24, 1998 11 AM PST. In attendance: From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker, Sysops: Juan Jose Tarud, mikael fredriksson, Donald McHose, Bill Gram-Reefer, Michael Davidson, Bob Nunn, Rick Palmer, Daniel O'Leary, Ted Brindle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rusty Tucker: <> Juan Jose Tarud: Hi Juan Jose Tarud: I need a little help with guestbook.acgi Juan Jose Tarud: When I try to sign up on the web server log it comes : Rusty Tucker: hi, which one? Juan Jose Tarud: 02/24/98 15:49:23 bbs.itn.cl /~Juanjo/guestbook.acgi?name=TESTQ&email=Test&descr iption=testing+the+guestbook Err! 403 Forbidden Rusty Tucker: Oh, you cannot put CGI's into user folders. Juan Jose Tarud: the one you made in 1996 Rusty Tucker: They can only be in the server's main folder. Rusty Tucker: You should use the SPML Guestbook Juan Jose Tarud: but if I'm running a virtual hosting Juan Jose Tarud: where is it Juan Jose Tarud: it is funny because it has worked sometimes Rusty Tucker: Its in the sample with the demo and the v5.6 package Juan Jose Tarud: some people can sign up and other donÇt Rusty Tucker: This > /~Juanjo/guestbook.acgi? Rusty Tucker: is looking for the Guestbook cgi in the /~Juanjo/ folder, and it cannot be run there. Juan Jose Tarud: that is the domain www2.punx.cl Rusty Tucker: Maybe you have one in the web server's root too? Juan Jose Tarud: check out www2.punx.cl/homepage2.spml and you'll see that it has worked sometimes Juan Jose Tarud: nope Rusty Tucker: You'd need to show me the URL's that make it work. Maybe there is a bug. Rusty Tucker: but a request coming through like someserver.com/~Juanjo/guestbook.acgi? will not work. Juan Jose Tarud: in http://www2.punx.cl/homepage2.spml I have the link for the guestbook Juan Jose Tarud: it is not ~juanjo is the directory for punx.cl Rusty Tucker: what version of TF do you use? Juan Jose Tarud: 5.6.2 Rusty Tucker: + How do you setup the virtual host, by IP or Host header? Rusty Tucker: + where is the actual CGI program? Rusty Tucker: also make sure there is only one copy on your server of guestbook.acgi. Rusty Tucker: please come to the chat Juan Jose Tarud: <> mikael fredriksson: <> Donald McHose: <> Bill Gram-Reefer: <> Michael Davidson: <> Rusty Tucker: <> Donald McHose: Thanx Rusty Tucker: hey hey! Bill Gram-Reefer: which chat room should we be in? Donald McHose: helloooo"a" Michael Davidson: the other one Bill Gram-Reefer: <> Bill Gram-Reefer: <> Donald McHose: What other one ?.... Juan Jose Tarud: To set up the virtual hosting by IP do I need to put the BBS's IP? Michael Davidson: just kidding BGR :) Bill Gram-Reefer: its in the TF BBS beta folder Rusty Tucker: I guess here... Bill Gram-Reefer: MD sent me on a snipe hunt...argghh Donald McHose: gotcha ) Michael Davidson: LOL Rusty Tucker: I should join the 2 rooms.. Bill Gram-Reefer: nyuck nyuck nyuck Juan Jose Tarud: hello? Bill Gram-Reefer: JJT has a question Michael Davidson: Is Bob Nunn going to be here Rusty Tucker: ok , they are both the same now Rusty Tucker: New stuff for TF User coming! Donald McHose: How does HE do that ! Rick Palmer: <> Bill Gram-Reefer: Juan has question about virtual hosting first Juan Jose Tarud: again, to set up the virtual hosting by IP do I need to put the BBS's IP? Michael Davidson: he is HE Donald McHose: UUUUMMMMM... sorry JJT Juan Jose Tarud: or some other IP Rusty Tucker: What do you mean JJT? Michael Davidson: put the BBS's ip where? Rusty Tucker: Oh, you need more than one IP, one for each Virtual Host Bob Nunn: <> Rusty Tucker: The docs show where you put it. Rusty Tucker: Basically, you setup and IP and domain for each host Juan Jose Tarud: is it necessary to do that for multihoming? Michael Davidson: Hey Rick! Rick Palmer: hey Rusty Tucker: then create a set of threads to server that IP. Rick Palmer: ! Juan Jose Tarud: hi bob Rusty Tucker: Using an IP is using multihoming. Bob Nunn: Hello, sorry I am late. I see someone is hosting more sites Rusty Tucker: OK? Rick Palmer: Unless there is some compelling reason why not conserve IP's and use the virtual hosting Juan Jose Tarud: I have been running about 15 domains only putting the path to the specific web space Bill Gram-Reefer: RT, I still host about five other domains on my system, and in Server setting under virtual hosts is till have things like Rusty Tucker: Yes, using the Host Header virtual hosting is the best way to go these days Bill Gram-Reefer: votemarkross.com /~votemarkross Juan Jose Tarud: that's it, I'm using virtual hostings only Bill Gram-Reefer: where the first is that's guy's domain name and the second tab the place where it lives in UM Bob Nunn: On high traffic sites you can limit usage by assigning less threads though right? Rusty Tucker: Right, then don't do anything with the IP's. Link the threads to 0.0.0.0 as the IP address. Juan Jose Tarud: right, that's why the message of error sent /~juanjo/guestbook.acgi is not on the http://www2.punx.cl server Juan Jose Tarud: but specify the path to the web space right? Rusty Tucker: No, you cannot run CGI's from a user's web space. Rick Palmer: RT? You mean you can limit the number of threads with virtual hosting? Bob Nunn: But could you from a site set up with IP? Rusty Tucker: You need to put the CGI in the server's web space, and HREF it by full URL. Juan Jose Tarud: So RT, you say I should try the guestbook spml? Rusty Tucker: RP- yes, each IP host has a fixed number of threads. Bill Gram-Reefer: so i guess I'm still doing it the Victual hosting way instead of the multihoming way? Rusty Tucker: JJT- yep use SPML, it is safe, so it can be anywhere. Juan Jose Tarud: THANX you all Rusty Tucker: yes BGR Bill Gram-Reefer: any advantage to multihoming over VH? Rusty Tucker: OK, ready for the new TF User features ? Michael Davidson: Bob, aren't you the one concerned about HDT 2.5 & HFS+? Bill Gram-Reefer: no that was Ken Bob Nunn: Not anymore. Reformatted using the Apple stuff. Rusty Tucker: IP Multihoming does a better job o f disguising that more than one site is on a single server + it is not reliant on the Host header, Michael Davidson: HDT says format, then erase disk with apple, HDT will integrate it later Bob Nunn: The lite version on the boot disk see's more drive types. Donald McHose: I want to know more! More Rusty.. pleeeze Michael Davidson: (erase disk with Erase Diskƒ in the Finder that is) Rusty Tucker: OK! Bill Gram-Reefer: OK, I'll take a look, More new TF user stuff, please Rick Palmer: Say Rusty what about these new features in TF User? :) Rusty Tucker: TF User will gain some new apple events: Rusty Tucker: - Added "GURL" Apple Event handler for "mailto" URL Can now specify TF User as the mailto handler in Internet Config tell application "TeleFinder»/User" get geturl "mailto:rusty@spiderisland.com?subject=hello" end tell - Added "Open Chat" AppleEvent handler.. - Added "Get Download Folder" AppleEvent handler.. - Added "Get Download Folder" AppleEvent handler.. - Added UsersOnline AppleEvent handler.. Rusty Tucker: The niftiest is the first, since TF User can become the mailer for Netscape. Bill Gram-Reefer: like it works with eudora Rusty Tucker: That reminds me, I found out that you need to turn on the "Use Internet Config" in Netscape 4 to use an external mailer. Right BGR Michael Davidson: did you mean to have Get Dload folder twice? Rusty Tucker: Yes, my mistake Bill Gram-Reefer: Does one have to use internet config to do mailto with Netscape? Rusty Tucker: yes , as far as I can tell BGR Bill Gram-Reefer: oy Rusty Tucker: Get DL folder works like: Rusty Tucker: tell application "TeleFinder»/User" set DownloadFolder to Get Download Directory end tell tell application "Finder" open DownloadFolder end tell Rusty Tucker: So when you forget where your files went, you cant let the script show you Michael Davidson: cool, I like the UsersONline one too Rusty Tucker: The other 2 should be nice for a login type script, so you can get those items to show up automatically Rusty Tucker: Or run a scrip to periodically update the users online Rusty Tucker: The next is Quoting... Michael Davidson: now, if you could say, if Rusty is online, do .... that would be nice Michael Davidson: Quoting!!!!!! Rusty Tucker: :) Juan Jose Tarud: quoting is the best feature you can add right now Rusty Tucker: There are 3 options.. Rusty Tucker: Quote Entire Message, Quote Selected Text, Quote Nothing Rusty Tucker: it makes a quote like: Rusty Tucker: On 2/24/98 12:59 AM, Andy Daws wrote: >>When does it drop into Macsbugs? > >>>The find box does not appear at all once the menu item is selected and >the bug is reproducible > > As soon as the Menu item is selected ^^^^ > >Andy Bill Gram-Reefer: what will they think of next? Michael Davidson: Lovely! Rick Palmer: what will I do with magic bullets now? Bill Gram-Reefer: what rev of TF User will these lovely adds show up in? Rusty Tucker: 5.6.2b3 Rusty Tucker: later today Juan Jose Tarud: I was used to magic bullets but I really don't care now :-) Rusty Tucker: I think I will make quote entire message the default Donald McHose: Just put the bullets next to the magic arrows Michael Davidson: Can we modify, the first line "Like on , Andy Daws was overheard saying" Bill Gram-Reefer: OK what else Rusty Tucker: :) that's all for today Michael Davidson: Can we set line length of quotes. Rusty Tucker: TF stores them as STR resources, I don't have any UI to modify it though. Rusty Tucker: STR 275-278 has Rusty Tucker: On Rusty Tucker: , Rusty Tucker: wrote: Rusty Tucker: and Rusty Tucker: > Juan Jose Tarud: is there a way to make an mail Out Box that stores the sent messages? Michael Davidson: Thank you very much for Quoting feature Rusty!!! I think it will be very useful to thousands of TF users Rusty Tucker: You might thank Chris too, I'm not sure. Rusty Tucker: I was digging around and found some unfinished support for quoting in the code. Juan Jose Tarud: what about the PC version? Michael Davidson: Now, speaking of mail, I would love the option of my mail to come into conference like format, instead of files in a mailbox. You could view your email by list view. It would take some modifications of the conference type thread, but it might not be too difficult Rusty Tucker: I haven't changed it to match yet, it still quotes the selected text Rusty Tucker: I've been thinking about mail, but have not decided what to do yet. Bob Nunn: Did you get my forward button on this one. Michael Davidson: Think hard rusty, think hard! Rusty Tucker: no, but I've got a list Bob! Donald McHose: God one Bob! Donald McHose: Ah that was good-one Juan Jose Tarud: Rusty, isn't there a way to make TF save the sent messages automatically as Eudora for example? Michael Davidson: Use OAT Juan Rusty Tucker: Yes, JJ, but there is not any code yet to support that. Rick Palmer: I've noticed that no matter what ya do....Michael and Dan always are a but what about...... :) Rusty Tucker: :) Juan Jose Tarud: But oat leaves it on the server and is uses a lot of HD...I mean a feature that leaves it on the users hard drive Michael Davidson: The conference like threading of email would do that Michael Davidson: o, good point Juan Rusty Tucker: The first issue is whether to keep the storage on the server, client or both. Bill Gram-Reefer: what about IMAP features? Rusty Tucker: Client side makes it simpler to implement. Michael Davidson: I would be happy with client side Juan Jose Tarud: of course... Bob Nunn: I would as well. Rusty Tucker: But server side lets the user move around and have a consistent mail box Rick Palmer: I'd die if it wasn't client side..... Rusty Tucker: Yeah, I bet :) Donald McHose: That should be on a case by case user basis ,up to the sysop. Bob Nunn: It is something to consider for people who use 1 machine for several users. Bob Wright would probably vote for server side then. Michael Davidson: Start with client side, then implement sysop allowing some to use server side for certain clients Rusty Tucker: That's why AOL deletes your mail if its been there too long Juan Jose Tarud: but if we are talking of 250 user that send at least 3 or 4 e-mails a day + the ones they leave stored Rick Palmer: not to mention 4000 users....... Juan Jose Tarud: THAT's ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AOL SUCKS! Michael Davidson: Have an option SOON in TF/User to save sent mail, then.... Rusty Tucker: IMAP essentially puts your mail spool on the server, including sub-mailboxes. Maybe that's why it hasn't caught on? Michael Davidson: work on code to allow server side option for sysop on a client by client basis Rick Palmer: It will be better when HFS+ is stable...right now I burn 60k for each file Rusty Tucker: that hurts! Bill Gram-Reefer: Well I'm just now starting to use filters on Eudora 4. 0 and like the idea of saving sent mail to a particular folder with user definable parameters Michael Davidson: Would it be hard to implement client side now Rusty? Rusty Tucker: time to partition what you've got Rick Palmer: 4 gig drives Juan Jose Tarud: <> Rusty Tucker: The filters are a very nice feature. Juan Jose Tarud: <> Rick Palmer: ya I did but it became really hard to manage and the single partitions are more stable and I don't use them up...so right now its not a priority...but if I was saving mail.... 8 | Bob Nunn: safer anyway to partition. HFS+ though will help us all out. I am waiting on my boot drives until Norton is up to speed. Michael Davidson: Nothing fancy...if the client has the option on, save all mail in folders in a Sent Mail folder on his machine. Juan Jose Tarud: what about something like the out box on eudora Rusty Tucker: brb Michael Davidson: Or to fancy it up a little, have the option of "Ask each time" so the user can choose whether to save a copy to his hard drive or not Bill Gram-Reefer: So is Claris e-mailer dead now? Donald McHose: Q? Why would one save mail sent? Michael Davidson: No final word from Apple BGR, I hope not Juan Jose Tarud: I don't like Claris e-mailer at all Michael Davidson: I do a lot Donald Donald McHose: k Bill Gram-Reefer: Apple could go back to its roots and call it MacMail! Michael Davidson: I like Emailer a lot Juan Jose Tarud: DM, when someone replies with no quoted message for example and you don's remember that you wrote Donald McHose: gots ta run for the kids.See Ya'll Michael Davidson: Very scriptable, and you can get mail from many different locations. And you can respond automatically to email with given parameters Donald McHose: Right JJT ! thanx Donald McHose: <> Daniel O'Leary: <> Daniel O'Leary: Damn! Michael Davidson: How many people could live now with only a client side saving of email built into TF/User? Daniel O'Leary: I could not get on!!! Juan Jose Tarud: hi Dan Daniel O'Leary: Rusty... There is something wrong with your server... I could ping it and finger to see ports were open, but could NOT login. Ted Brindle: <> Michael Davidson: Rusty is away for a minute Daniel Rick Palmer: Rusty's away...maybe looking into it Daniel O'Leary: It also refused a telnet to 1474. Juan Jose Tarud: I have a lot of users have asked me about that feature. Rick Palmer: If I was saving mail for people I'd need a max space allowed feature too Michael Davidson: I think TF/User needs both quoting and forwarding and saving sent mail features. Bill Gram-Reefer: why can't mail delete when user reads it? Michael Davidson: That would be server side though Rick. I want RT to at least give us client side. Daniel O'Leary: bad. bill. Bill Gram-Reefer: whimper Juan Jose Tarud: what about the PC version too Daniel O'Leary: You do not know if the user has SAVED it. Bill Gram-Reefer: that's their problem. Geez. Michael Davidson: or really read it yet, may have just glanced over it Bill Gram-Reefer: it's their mail not yours Daniel O'Leary: or even if they successfully READ it. Michael Davidson: I like to decide when I trash mail Juan Jose Tarud: most of the users store their e-mail to keep addresses Rick Palmer: If I can control the size of the member account I can live with server side... Ted Brindle: It could delete on a successful download, but that could defeat some of the reasons for why people use a BBS. Michael Davidson: yeah, that reminds me of another feature, a button to save the email address of the sender into the address book Daniel O'Leary: Download to what TTY or something more permanent. Daniel O'Leary: Not a good idea. Michael Davidson: It does delete on download if you use the auto feature Ted Ted Brindle: How many people have included a server side search engine with their site? Ted Brindle: Autofeatures are cool. Michael Davidson: Not I Bill Gram-Reefer: not I Daniel O'Leary: i do.3 Daniel O'Leary: but it is in dev.. Michael Davidson: Yes Rick, that would be a necessary feature of server side...max space allowed Ted Brindle: I want to know a way to use the meta tag to develop a search that will include conference areas. Michael Davidson: Do you use OAT Ted? Juan Jose Tarud: MD what if the user is on vacations an gets a lot of e-mail? Daniel O'Leary: the meta tag is not part of the msg contents... Ted Brindle: I have not implemented it yet. Ted Brindle: I know. Juan Jose Tarud: you can give him limited space Michael Davidson: I am talking about saved SENT mail JJT, I'm not sure that your question is relevant, or am I wrong Bob Nunn: We should have the ability to put a reply.txt file in the pub folders for vacations Juan Jose Tarud: but what about the incoming messages Juan Jose Tarud: that's a cool feature Bob Michael Davidson: Currently, there is no limit on incoming messages JJT Rusty Tucker: > could ping it and finger to see ports were open, but could NOT login. Michael Davidson: That would be nice Bob, make sure RT hears that one Daniel O'Leary: Yes! Rusty Tucker: we're maxed on user connections now Juan Jose Tarud: MD I still think it is better for the e-mail to be stored on the user's hd Daniel O'Leary: You were not when I tried to come in. Michael Davidson: I agree JJT Daniel O'Leary: tcp8 and 11 were free. Bob Nunn: It's an old one. I think Chris had done it in an older version. Ted Brindle: Actually, Michael I was thinking of using EWS since it is freeware. Do you have a better recommendation? Where do I look ? What is OAT? Juan Jose Tarud: BOB has been talking about this feature long time ago Michael Davidson: I'm not disputing that, but there are those clients that may need server side Rusty Tucker: probably there were gateways on those Daniel O'Leary: did not show up on finger!!! Rusty Tucker: I think gateways are masked off of Finger Juan Jose Tarud: MD that for incoming stored mail and the other for the outgoing mail Bob Nunn: Forward button and spell check. That's really the main things I would like to see. Michael Davidson: OAT might already do what you want. It is from Highlander. OAT is online Assistant for Telefinder. It is in the BBS Utilities folder Daniel O'Leary: server opened then closed the connection. Daniel O'Leary: client just sat there. Rick Palmer: What is EWS Bill Gram-Reefer: would one charge more for server-side? Rusty Tucker: TB- you can add meta -tags into the templates. Juan Jose Tarud: Bill, I don't think users might like that Rick Palmer: Kinda tough to get a key for OAT Daniel O'Leary: I have told ken to get your key or else, RP. Michael Davidson: They are working on a OAT lite, which might have just the features you need Rick Palmer: Ted...what is EWS Rick Palmer: thanks Dan Michael Davidson: Ken, of Highlander systems is usually here at these chats Rusty Tucker: Reply.txt needs some other features to support it, like filtering. Otherwise you'll spam listservers with your vacation announcement. Ted Brindle: Thanks Rusty. I just sent a purchase order for an upgrade to TF and for the Mail Plugin. Will the templates folder allow a search of conference areas and individual messages? Will OAT help me with web functions? Juan Jose Tarud: I have been trying to reach Ken Sutherland for about 2 months to purchase OAT but no reply Daniel O'Leary: the current FS plugin does not do msgs. Bob Nunn: I am sure we wouldn't be the only ones spamming them. I hadn't thought of that one though. Rusty Tucker: I don't know if it will help searching. It will help customizing. Michael Davidson: He is usually here JJT, catch him live at these chats Daniel O'Leary: i am working that now... Ted Brindle: EWS is Excite for Web Servers. I do not know if it will cause TF to crash. I see a notice that says it will cause some web servers to crash. Rusty Tucker: If you need to add a tag, that's the place to do it. Bill Gram-Reefer: who do i talk to about the mail plugin? Daniel O'Leary: Ken or Jon BGR. Michael Davidson: Ken, or Jonathan BGR, who aren't here Daniel O'Leary: Do you need a key or do you have a problem with it. Daniel O'Leary: Ken calls my system several times a day. Rusty Tucker: www.spiderisland.com/hdsmail/ Rusty Tucker: Is EWS a W* Plug-in or CGI? Michael Davidson: So Rusty, what do you think about a Save Sent Mail option in TF/User for client side saving of mail. Later, you could work on the more complicated server side. Rick Palmer: I've been testing search engines but haven't found one that's really stable Juan Jose Tarud: IO had a free key...now I wanna buy it Rick Palmer: where do you get EWS Ted? Rusty Tucker: No specific commitments MD. Mail is getting a lot of though right now. Rusty Tucker: thought Michael Davidson: The only extra feature that would be extra nice would be the option of being asked whether to save after each email sent Ted Brindle: Scrap the EWS comment. I just looked up the web page and it appears it is not available on the MACOS. Daniel O'Leary: I like Kens suggestion of using the HTML mail std to do styles over the net. Juan Jose Tarud: or to save it automatically on the user's hd Ted Brindle: http://www.excite.com/navigate/download.cgi I am looking at this site. Daniel O'Leary: how hard to do that Rusty? Michael Davidson: I am very glad to hear that Rusty. And very happy that you have already done the quoting thing. Thanks! Rusty Tucker: Probably very hard without converting TF's native format to MIME Bob Nunn: Ted, Ken says their search engine will be back in the next version of OAT. I had stability problems with everything I have tried as well. Rusty Tucker: Then you need an HTML editor to boot :) Daniel O'Leary: BN, I am currently testing the HDS SE. Bob Nunn: and so far...??? Daniel O'Leary: RT, Why not just use simple mappings to do to/from TF/User styles. Juan Jose Tarud: I gotta go...bye all Rusty Tucker: see ya JJ Daniel O'Leary: It still needs some work.. Bob Nunn: Bye JJT Juan Jose Tarud: and thanx for helping Juan Jose Tarud: <> Ted Brindle: I have a meeting to attend. Thanks for the chat. Ted Brindle: <> Daniel O'Leary: I know that fonts might be a bit more complex, but I think still doable Michael Davidson: Hey Jim Smith's not here. That's unusual Daniel O'Leary: Hmm, maybe more channels are in order... Rusty Tucker: With HTML as mail, most of TF's mail UI would change. We'd need to look like PageMill instead of simple text. Daniel O'Leary: Ah, but the possibilities... Daniel O'Leary: Settling for the crude IF that Netscape has would be a start. Michael Davidson: I would rather you focused on better, simple communication aspects than fancy ones. Bob Nunn: like spell check and a forward button ;-) Michael Davidson: Things like inbox, outbox, forward, reply, quote, etc. Daniel O'Leary: I'm not looking for full-blown implementation of an HTML authoring system. Michael Davidson: yes bob, like that. Although spell check is a little much Daniel O'Leary: But I do want a comparable appearance when reading mail from TF or from web clients. Bob Nunn: I just want to be able to send my .spml pages up without having to delete the old ones. Maybe even open them online? Rusty Tucker: -- plain text :) Daniel O'Leary: Nah... Lest common denominator approach blech... Daniel O'Leary: like B& W pages. Daniel O'Leary: : ) Michael Davidson: But, TF can be a complete system for many businesses, if it had better fundamental email capabilities. Daniel O'Leary: It would probably lend itself to being able to view your html/spml for within TF user... Daniel O'Leary: Anyone played with RDB to/From TF sans FM pro? Michael Davidson: I think that is why RT is thinking hard about email! :) Daniel O'Leary: I get a lot of HTML formatted email now... Daniel O'Leary: from business, that is also why I think that it is important to handle it. Michael Davidson: Isn't it annoying Dan :) Daniel O'Leary: No MD. Daniel O'Leary: I like it. Daniel O'Leary: Wish TF/User rendered it. Michael Davidson: Maybe RT can have an AppleEvent that sends it to an HTML reader...for now Rusty Tucker: The serial number is not a secret Daniel O'Leary: Wonder when RT will come out with TF Server "channels"... grin... Rick Palmer: Oooh...Front Page hooks! Daniel O'Leary: He already has one that will launch NS if you download an HTML file. Daniel O'Leary: but reading an html msg might be tricky but cool. Michael Davidson: But then he could let somebody else handle email html Michael Davidson: And wouldn't have to make such drastic changes to current email Rick Palmer: RT...could you only need one chat session to keep you busy for the next 30 years! :) Daniel O'Leary: That means a clunky/slow hand off. Michael Davidson: And we know RT is nothing if not Tricky! Rusty Tucker: he he! Daniel O'Leary: not very good for reading mail msgs that are a mix between types. Daniel O'Leary: means having 2 windows open to read mail. Daniel O'Leary: not very UI efficient. Michael Davidson: The HTML reader would be responsible for handling mixed Bob Nunn: I pulled down a dozen different web pages to my workstation from my web folder on my system. Opened 7 different programs in about 3 minutes. I guess I need to save all my file types out in one format. Daniel O'Leary: the read does not know what is what as it comes over the wire. Daniel O'Leary: reader... Rusty Tucker: BN - just change the mapping in Internet Config or TF's helpers.config Bill Gram-Reefer: maybe TF user could read html? Daniel O'Leary: AH, you are now where I am BGR... Rusty Tucker: helloooo?? L:) Bob Nunn: Yep figured that out after doing it. Thought it was funny. Hadn't considered it when I downloaded them. Bill Gram-Reefer: not for browsing just for mail Michael Davidson: Would you rather have quoting,etc. or html reading? Bill Gram-Reefer: one now, the other later Daniel O'Leary: Quoting never bothered me. Michael Davidson: Agreed BGR Daniel O'Leary: I can do it now... Daniel O'Leary: With TF/user as is. Michael Davidson: Can all your clients Dan? Easily Bob Nunn: I expect that html messages are going to become a trend. Daniel O'Leary: HTML email is a different beast. mikael fredriksson: <> Rusty Tucker: Yes, HTML email will finally take over for plain text Daniel O'Leary: Not all users have the resources to have both a browser AND an email client up. Rusty Tucker: and it will start to get very complicated too. Rusty Tucker: Forms, images just like any web page. Michael Davidson: There are smaller html readers than NS Daniel O'Leary: It is already there... RT. Daniel O'Leary: They all would occupy screen disk and space in the users mind. Michael Davidson: It would be nice to let others handle such complicated html email Rusty. Rusty Tucker: Apple needs to make SimpleHTML part of the OS right along with SimpleText -- just like MS Michael Davidson: How can you allow them to hook in Michael Davidson: Yes, RT, that would be nice. Does apple plan to do it? Rusty Tucker: I see I have a lot of work to do.... Gotta go! Daniel O'Leary: If you used HTML as the basis of TF/User styled text, that would be a start. ------------------------------------------------------------------ February 24, 1998 -- ©Copyright 1998, Spider Island Software