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Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11 AM PST.

In attendance:

From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker

Sysops: Andy Daws, Michael Davidson, mikael fredriksson, Bill Gram-Reefer,
Ken Sutherland, Daryl Hansen, Daniel O'Leary

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Rusty Tucker: HI!
Andy Daws: Greetings All
mikael fredriksson: hi!
Rusty Tucker: Does anyone have insight into the corrupt ZMODEM problem?
mikael fredriksson: no
Rusty Tucker: Have you seen it on your system Mikael?
Andy Daws: No but we have experienced some problems
mikael fredriksson: No
Rusty Tucker: What kind of problem Andy?
Michael Davidson: <<joined the chat>>
Michael Davidson: hola!
Andy Daws: Suddenly we see an increase in the number of retries over ISDN
Rusty Tucker: Hi MD
Michael Davidson: Hello
Rusty Tucker: What version of TeleFinder are you using?
Michael Davidson: Of host?
Andy Daws: I have yet to determine if they are using Z or background also
the version at PA
Andy Daws: I'll connect tomorrow and find out
Rusty Tucker: The ZMODEM problem is reportedly on the most recent betas
only. (was talking to Andy )
Bill Gram-Reefer: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Hi Bill
Bill Gram-Reefer: yahde yahdee yahde
Andy Daws: Yes I know but i wonder if the problem is with tf/user
Andy Daws: As we are using 5.7 to connect to PA
Michael Davidson: I'll be right back.
Rusty Tucker: I'd expect high re-transmit levels to be a different problem.
Rusty Tucker: Probably hardware, but maybe not.
Andy Daws: Ok could be I'll keep an eye on it and try older versions etc
Andy Daws: Don't usually get probs in the UK with ISDN
Rusty Tucker: Only Zmodem reports retransmits.
Andy Daws: All Fiber it mostly all or nothing
Rusty Tucker: If there are connection problems, the BBS Activity log should
show Re-transmits in the protocol stats at the end of the call.
Andy Daws: Have you got you're Netopia Yet
Michael Davidson: Did you go with Farallon Rusty?
Rusty Tucker: Yes, my Internet link is run with a Netopia
Andy Daws: Are you pleased we are
Rusty Tucker: It seems to work well, and its easy to use.
Andy Daws: Yes very fast setup good compression etc
Rusty Tucker: AD - are you talking straight ISDN, or Internet ISDN regarding
retransmits?
Andy Daws: Straight ISDN
Rusty Tucker: OK - Internet re-transmits are usually the result of long net
lags.
Andy Daws: Four-Sight ISDN Tool
Ken Sutherland: <<joined the chat>>
Andy Daws: Hi Ken
Daryl Hansen: Aloha Ken!
Rusty Tucker: You shouldn't get any re-transmits on that setup Andy
Daniel O'Leary: <<joined the chat>>
Andy Daws: Precisely
Michael Davidson: Rusty, are you using your bot?
Daniel O'Leary: i made it.
Ken Sutherland: so someone is here then
Daniel O'Leary: I am Bot-less..
Ken Sutherland: Hiya all
Andy Daws: Is it possible to configure packet size etc like First Class Yuk
Ken Sutherland: Rusty what is your local time?
Michael Davidson: Ken S., around 11 AM
Ken Sutherland: Dan we always knew that
Ken Sutherland: ahh, bugger
Daniel O'Leary: 13:13 here.
Ken Sutherland: the uk time went forward at the weekend
Daniel O'Leary: my clock is synced to the navy atomic.
Daryl Hansen: KS, does the new Mail PI beta2 fix some of the crashes?
Ken Sutherland: instead of 7.12 its 8.12
Michael Davidson: why Ken S.?
Rusty Tucker: 11:17 here
Michael Davidson: Rusty, are you using your bot?
mikael fredriksson: We started daylight saving time here in Europe last
weekend
Rusty Tucker: AD- no need to config packets
Michael Davidson: Rusty doesn't use Vyrema! :)
Daryl Hansen: That sounds like a personal question.
Michael Davidson: :)
Daniel O'Leary: Ok What is the topic today.
Rusty Tucker: no bot today. i tried to start it, and it complained about
something
Daniel O'Leary: You guys shamed me into finishing my ANUS (grin)
Andy Daws: No but I wonder if there is a negotiation problem between
different card manufacturer I know that why FC put it in
Michael Davidson: I was wondering because my user enters chat isn't working
Ken Sutherland: don't talk about your bum
Daryl Hansen: Ken S., does the new Mail PI b2 fix some of the crashes?
Rusty Tucker: I don't follow you Andy.
Andy Daws: I had a problem using FC client talking from a SCii card to a
planet but reducing the Packet size fixed the problem
Andy Daws: I could connect but no transfers or bad transfers
Rusty Tucker: The connection tools have a buffering options sometimes, is
that what you mean?
Andy Daws: Not buffering
Daryl Hansen: JP said the new Mail PI update b2 should fix many of the
crashes, but I did not see a mention of it in the Readme.
Daniel O'Leary: Have you seen any problems with TF under similar conditions
Andy?
Daryl Hansen: Should I update to b2?
Ken Sutherland: minor changes wont be logged
Rusty Tucker: The packet sized used by a file transfer protocol should be
transparent to the device. It's just a never ending stream of bytes to the
ISDN or Modem.
Daniel O'Leary: Does FC use the comm toolbox.
Andy Daws: Perhaps the change is in there Transfer protocol packet size as
there use there own. What size does Background and Zmodem use
Andy Daws: Yes I have seen some problems Daniel
Andy Daws: But I am not sure if the related to the problem we are
experiencing
Rusty Tucker: AD - I guarantee it's totally unrelated.
Rusty Tucker: The ZM packet sized have not changed in years.
Daniel O'Leary: Gee Rusty, maybe you can now send them fast enough to
overflow???
Andy Daws: Ok
Rusty Tucker: AD - send me part of the activity log that shows the
re-transmits. That's the best way to start.
Daniel O'Leary: I guess there are no comments on my add new user script....
I read the last chat log and was shamed into kicking that out by you guys.
Rusty Tucker: :)
Rusty Tucker: I didn't try it yet here.
Michael Davidson: :)
Andy Daws: I will have to talk to PA which will be difficult even with
shares in the company
Michael Davidson: I just dloaded it Daniel; I'll take a look at it later!
Daniel O'Leary: It does not over-write anything existing and will do sub
folders etc, anything you put in the template.
Rusty Tucker: You're just sending to PA?
Daryl Hansen: Rusty, Is it possible for Macsbugs to make my server less
stable?
Andy Daws: Yes I am but mostly downloading
Michael Davidson: Did you see the "bug" that Rusty mentioned in the last
chat, Daniel?
Andy Daws: Shall we move on until I can get more info
Michael Davidson: Be careful, since any change to a user sends the
AppleEvent of newuser
Daniel O'Leary: I have not yet figured out how to concatenate files
together. When I do then the script will even put in user names in all the
customized files.
Rusty Tucker: Daryl, yes and no.
Daniel O'Leary: MD that is why I did things the way I did.
Daryl Hansen: I was afraid you would say that.
Daniel O'Leary: I saw it before it was reported.
Rusty Tucker: It won't cause crashes that aren't already there.
Michael Davidson: You say it doesn't overwrite, so you might be okay, but
some users may complain if new "template" files appear in their pub folder
Daniel O'Leary: Let them complain.
Rusty Tucker: Macsbug will pop-up on items that might be dormant with out it
installed though.
Daniel O'Leary: They get a fresh look at all your new rules etc.
Bill Gram-Reefer: can i use newset UM without using newuser process?
Michael Davidson: :)
Ken Sutherland: anyone need a file transfer logging facility that allows you
to create updated SPML pages?
Daniel O'Leary: BGR just move the script out of the UM folder.
Daryl Hansen: Okay, thanks Rusty.
Bill Gram-Reefer: yippee
Michael Davidson: concatenate? like put the users name in the right place in
a user profile?
Daniel O'Leary: I would rather have a de-activate button, but!!!!
Daniel O'Leary: EXACTLY MD.
Michael Davidson: That shouldn't be too difficult
Daniel O'Leary: And in the web page prototype.
Daniel O'Leary: in ALL files in the template.
Rusty Tucker: Daryl, specifically here is code in the Beta versions that
break into Macsbug, when something BAD is about to happen. That is before
actual damage is done.
Daniel O'Leary: Wish the mac supported SED and AWK... grin.
Rusty Tucker: In non-beta code, the BAD thing would just happen, and not
crash the system until later.
Andy Daws: Rusty have you any examples of Plug-Ins that talk to components
other than UM
Rusty Tucker: No sample code, but you can send an AppleEvent to anything
from a plug-in.
Daniel O'Leary: I have seen Macsbug claim to have caused the exception...
but I still think it is a victim.
Rusty Tucker: Yes DO, that is exactly true.
Daniel O'Leary: Rusty, we need a current list of supported events.
Daryl Hansen: I see. That makes sense.
Rusty Tucker: check out the AETE resources
Daniel O'Leary: Am still learning this script thing, and it is distracting
me from my Java Junket.
Michael Davidson: are all the files in the template of type TEXT Daniel?
Daniel O'Leary: Yes, MD.
Daryl Hansen: Ken, Should I update to Mail PI b2?
Daniel O'Leary: Some are created with TF/User, and others with BBEdit...
should make no difference if you don't care about the TF/user appearance.
Michael Davidson: And you only want to put the user name in a finite # of
places in each file?
Ken Sutherland: Daryl , pleas do
Michael Davidson: that won't matter about different creators
Daryl Hansen: Thanks.
Daryl Hansen: I will today.
Rusty Tucker: Dh - the read me says it fixes the problem we were seeing on
your server. I don't see mention of the "attachment" bug that Mikael has
reported.
Daniel O'Leary: MD - the number of replacements should be a variable.
Daryl Hansen: COOL!
Michael Davidson: how bout all occurrences of "Username"
Daniel O'Leary: it allows the content creator to exercise their
customization.
Ken Sutherland: we are still working on the wee bug
Ken Sutherland: er
Daniel O'Leary: Right there are some others but they are secondary to
$USER_NAME.
Rusty Tucker: KS - you mean the attachment bug?
Ken Sutherland: yup
Daryl Hansen: Some Users have complained that they can't get to their
attachments anymore, but for now, I don't care.
Daniel O'Leary: I deliberately made that stand out so that we can find it
and identify it.
Daniel O'Leary: to change it later.
Ken Sutherland: just tried to get jon on phone but no answer, will post in
tf utils as soon as we have a fix
Daryl Hansen: Bandwidth is expensive here :)
Daryl Hansen: <p>
Ken Sutherland: try the UK mate
Daryl Hansen: What is the WEE bug?
Michael Davidson: ok, are you using any osax Daniel?
Ken Sutherland: MK found a file attachment problem
Rusty Tucker: I think you can work around the attachment bug by making the
user mail box TF format instead of POP3, is that right Mikael?
Ken Sutherland: md, sorry
Daniel O'Leary: MD, I did try OSAX once, before TF had a web server.
Daryl Hansen: I guess that's why I haven't found the wee bug. All account
are TF.
Daniel O'Leary: I have not tried it lately.
Daniel O'Leary: My account is POP3 and when I do get access I can try it.
Andy Daws: Did we ever arrive at a conclusion as to the cause of Digital
sigs not working
Rusty Tucker: Mikael must be logging.
mikael fredriksson: I have all mailboxes in RFC format...
Michael Davidson: If I look at ANUS, will I see the occurrences you want to
replace Daniel?
Rusty Tucker: ahh, OK
Daniel O'Leary: Yes MD.
Daryl Hansen: POP3 has always been a but unstable on the MauiMail server. I
would like to offer POP3 someday.
Rusty Tucker: And WebMail crashes when you try to download a "???" format
attachment.
Daniel O'Leary: They are in the files Homepage.spml and profile.txt for now,
but the real fix should work for any file a sysop throws in there.
Michael Davidson: Daniel, are you using the Finder to move/copy files?
Donald McHose: <<joined the chat>>
Daryl Hansen: When the WEE bug is fixed, I will try POP3 again :)
Rusty Tucker: :)
Daryl Hansen: I haven't seen anything like that Rusty.
Andy Daws: Nearly all our accounts are POP3 with no problems
Ken Sutherland: ok, ok, i get the POINT, fill fix asap
Daryl Hansen: AD, Hmmm.
Ken Sutherland: 8-)
Daniel O'Leary: MD have you seen the scripts?
Rusty Tucker: AD- POP3 access via TeleFinder and a POP3 client is very
stable. No problems.
Michael Davidson: no, I just dloaded them?
Rusty Tucker: The problem occurs with accessing your email via the Web and
the WebMail Plug-in.
Rusty Tucker: Trying to download an attachment from a POP3 message causes
the Plug-in to crash the server.
Daniel O'Leary: I grafted Rusty's stuff onto another I was working on that
was based upon SyncFolders in the Apple Extras folder.
Andy Daws: Sorry, bit slow catching up with the log
Rusty Tucker: I think that its only a certain attachment format that causes
the crash. Ken?
Daniel O'Leary: Ken, I understand you are working on a new util. Care to
fill us in?
Ken Sutherland: give me a moment, kids are playing up
mikael fredriksson: I get a bomb on base64 files
Daryl Hansen: This is really pretty funny. When I set out to give away free
web based email, I searched high and low for a solution, then JP makes a
nifty plug-in and all my searching is over! Plus, I already had a license
for the TF server from my BBS days.
Donald McHose: That's an important note to send users! I wish I had seen an
announcement on this issue on the plug in.
mikael fredriksson: news from the web :Global Village's modem business sold
to Boca Research
Rusty Tucker: OK -- that would be UUEncode and most MIME attachments. Binhex
is OK for the web mail plug-in then.
Rusty Tucker: The work around is to setup WebMail user's mailboxes as
TeleFinder, not POP3, format.
mikael fredriksson: I think so yes (don't dare to try have my BBS 20 min
drive from home)
Donald McHose: My users wouldn't know the different. but I'll just put in a
no attachments for now.If using web mail.
Daniel O'Leary: RT, that rules out using other email clients, does it not?
Rusty Tucker: not at all.
Rusty Tucker: Regular POP3 access works fine.
Ken Sutherland: We have been developing a utility for telefinder that logs
file uploads and downloads for a photo bureau in the UK, it allows you to
update web pages in near realtime and allows you to check how many times
someone has downloaded or who has downloaded any file, ie SKY TV could check
how many newspapers have taken what pictures and then bills them, it
interfaces with FileMaker 4
Ken Sutherland: anyone interested
Daryl Hansen: Filmmaker!@
Daryl Hansen: Hmmm.
Ken Sutherland: FileMaker Pro4
Michael Davidson: sounds very useful Ken. How far along are you?
Daniel O'Leary: Cool. So I can track file xfers... I like this one.
Daniel O'Leary: Autobilling eh? Way cool.
Daryl Hansen: Ken, I'm not sure yet if I can use that or not.
Andy Daws: Someone please sell Sky TV a TF system there's is really bad ;-)
Bill Gram-Reefer: would it work for html transfers, too?
Ken Sutherland: we have a beta up and running on customer site NOW
Daniel O'Leary: Be Jim Leary could use it on Rinkside.com.
Michael Davidson: Rusty, are you telling me that POP3 clients can get
TeleFinder format email just fine?
Andy Daws: Most Newspaper have recipe arrangements so don't sell each other
pictures that just ISDN them for free
Rusty Tucker: no, they can get POP3 format just fine.
Michael Davidson: ok, that's what I thought.
Bill Gram-Reefer: could I use it for reports to clients showing details of
which page got hit by whom?
Andy Daws: Ken have you tried image.net
Bill Gram-Reefer: or is it just for TF file downloads
Daniel O'Leary: Rusty if you say "the work-around is NOT to use POP3, then
how can other clients access the mail. (other=non-tf/nonbrowser)
Ken Sutherland: that's who has it
Ken Sutherland: 8-), he wants a UK exclusive license
Andy Daws: Just a guess
Michael Davidson: That'll cost em!
Daryl Hansen: DO, Your web mail clients can request to have their settings
changed to TF mail only.
Donald McHose: damn good guess
Andy Daws: How about USA Online
Daniel O'Leary: Get lots of dollars KS... The geographic/legal issues are
staggering.
Rusty Tucker: DO - talk to Ken, get him to fix the plug-in.
Daniel O'Leary: Hehe, good one RT!
Donald McHose: Ken fix the plug-in !!!
Ken Sutherland: FU
Ken Sutherland: hehehehehheh
Rusty Tucker: :)))
Ken Sutherland: I can change nappies if you want
Daniel O'Leary: Anyone STILL interested in chat enhancements via JAVA?
Donald McHose: )~
Ken Sutherland: getting good at that
Daryl Hansen: Ken fix the plug-in !!!
Daniel O'Leary: I have not forgotten about it, just got sidetracked.
Ken Sutherland: anyone good at java coding?
Andy Daws: Yes how are you doing I have some code for Java chat
Daryl Hansen: Actually I'm really happy with the Mail PI, Thanks Ken.
Daniel O'Leary: I am making fair progress KS.
Rusty Tucker: DO will be an expert after he has Java Chat running.
Donald McHose: DanO: would love to have a TF java chat same as u
Daniel O'Leary: AD I have some too, but it is not yet working...
Daryl Hansen: Java Chat! Yes!
Daniel O'Leary: I think I have solved most of the problems though.
Andy Daws: It's the plug-in that the problem just learning
Daniel O'Leary: Am peeved at apple for not using the sun JVM.
Bill Gram-Reefer: let me ask it this way KS, when you say any file, then I
assume this would mean your new utility would track html files served from
TF as well as regular file transfers, correct, or will you fix the plug-in?
Ken Sutherland: could we patch it in TF, Rusty and extra code make it
easier?
Andy Daws: I thought they bundle both MS and Sun?
Michael Davidson: What will Java add to chat that AS can't?
Daniel O'Leary: MS and Apples do not fully support everything in the sun
JVM.
Daniel O'Leary: Cross-platform, and security.
Daryl Hansen: Doesn't Apple plan on that?
Michael Davidson: the
Daniel O'Leary: DH, they are going further down the tubes... going with MS
JVM.
Andy Daws: Can't you open socket etc
Michael Davidson: Can you have graphics with Java chat?
Daryl Hansen: brb, Garbage men just came by and now my cans are in the
middle of the street. Go to go get them before somebody runs them over :)
Andy Daws: Or is it more the layout etc that's dif
Michael Davidson: GET non-round trash cans.
Donald McHose: MD: yes!
Donald McHose: try Digichat
Donald McHose: It does not support MRJ 2.0 though
Michael Davidson: Rusty, could you try to open your bot again. I want to see
why mine isn't seeing User Enters Chat.
Michael Davidson: Or somebody else open their chat app.
Bill Gram-Reefer: <<left the chat>>
Andy Daws: I think what Daniel is trying to do is integrate with the TF Chat
using a Plug-In
Daryl Hansen: Works for me!
Donald McHose: applause
Michael Davidson: <<left the chat>>
Michael Davidson: <<joined the chat>>
Daryl Hansen: DO, I thought Apple was just going to include ActiveX support
in their JVM?
Michael Davidson: hola!
Michael Davidson: did anybody open their chat bot?
Andy Daws: I may be wrong here but I think it has to be compiled for Mac
still. I've tried and failed so far
Donald McHose: Incoming!! ( kids) c-ya
Donald McHose: <<left the chat>>
Michael Davidson: What has to be compiled for Mac still AD?
Andy Daws: ActiveX Apps
Michael Davidson: o
Andy Daws: Long live Java (One day)
Rusty Tucker: DM- scripts won't run on my system right now
Michael Davidson: hmmm.
Michael Davidson: Are you using a different server than last chat. ....
Michael Davidson: I didn't change my user enters code
Andy Daws: <<left the chat>>
Andy Daws: <<joined the chat>>
Daniel O'Leary: <<left the chat>>
Michael Davidson: #@!$, nothing happened when Andy came back
Rusty Tucker: The chat bot's are server independent. they are dependent on
the version of TF User.
Daniel O'Leary: <<joined the chat>>
Andy Daws: I'm using TF/Win )-;

Michael Davidson: my outgoing is working fine, notice the #@!$ above, but
not the user enters code
Daniel O'Leary: Was I the only one just locked up?
Rusty Tucker: yep
Daniel O'Leary: I disconnected and reconnected with my provider, and quit
the session. Lost it right after I was asked about sockets and Java.
Rusty Tucker: Any last Q's before we wrap it up today?
Daryl Hansen: Thanks Rusty! Good session today, It was fun picking on Ken :)
Daniel O'Leary: Did I miss much?
Daniel O'Leary: That was strange. the connection to the ISP was fine, and
the TF session had the Beach Ball O death.
Ken Sutherland: <<left the chat>>
Michael Davidson: Daniel, I didn't see $USER_NAME in the profile text doc of
ANUS
Rusty Tucker: One last note...
Daniel O'Leary: Yes Rusty, when will a sane UM "protection" be in place?
Daniel O'Leary: Those bullets are killing me.
Rusty Tucker: If you've seen Check Shotton's Plug-in Patcher?
Andy Daws: I love bullets
Daniel O'Leary: MD might have missed it in the one I U'ld... It DOES belong
there.
Andy Daws: ;-)
Michael Davidson: It's YOUR profile DO.
Daniel O'Leary: I hate em.
Michael Davidson: what bullets?
Rusty Tucker: That patches a WebStar specific bug. Initial reports described
it as an Open Transport problem. But that is not the case.
Daryl Hansen: Bullets are our friends!
Daniel O'Leary: It should be a modified version of my profile, MD.
Daniel O'Leary: I may have put the wrong one in there... take a look at the
date/time I did that.
Andy Daws: Bullets Forever (duck)
Daryl Hansen: What's UM protection? Is that some sort of birth control?
Daniel O'Leary: Again, the directions state to edit the contents of those
files.... BANG!
Michael Davidson: Sept 13; 1:46 pm
Daniel O'Leary: Sorry, my gun went off.
Michael Davidson: It has a graphic in it I think
Daniel O'Leary: MD no, look at the date on the ARCHIVE.
Rusty Tucker: Dan doesn't like the ´´´´ covering the passwords in the most
recent user manager.
Daryl Hansen: Oh those bullets! YES those bullets SUCK!
Daniel O'Leary: RT, it goes beyond "doesn't like"
Daniel O'Leary: Grin.
Rusty Tucker: Hey, I'm trying to be NICE :)
Daryl Hansen: Those bullets are BAD.
Michael Davidson: Mar 31; 1:23 PM
Michael Davidson: I have no use for the bullets myself
Andy Daws: Rusty did you get my program?
Daniel O'Leary: Look on SI BBS.
Rusty Tucker: what program?
Andy Daws: The one that displays the password across a network and other
info
Daniel O'Leary: It was almost 1:30 AM my time.
Rusty Tucker: Yes, I did. I didn't open it yet.
Daryl Hansen: Rusty, What about offering a patch for SYSOPS that don't like
bullets?
Michael Davidson: Created Mar 30 1:01 AM; Modified Mar 29 11:30 PM
Daniel O'Leary: How about a patch for those that do and leave it out for
those that don't (grin)
Daryl Hansen: Even better!
Daniel O'Leary: MD, Now you can understand why it might be suspect)
Michael Davidson: How bout a checkbox for bullets or not
Daniel O'Leary: But it should be functional.
Michael Davidson: :) yes Daniel modified before it was created
Rusty Tucker: Check out the discussion re- bullets in the topics.
Daniel O'Leary: Just replace the files in the templates folder with your own
stuff....
Rusty Tucker: It's pretty well beaten into the ground there.:)
Andy Daws: I think the best compromise was to password control UM
Michael Davidson: But you should have a generic, but user-specific template
file
Andy Daws: Rusty thought he was rapping it up
Daniel O'Leary: I will eventually figure out how to replace $USER_NAME with
the data from the event, in any file within the folder.
Michael Davidson: I would say work on the JAVA script instead! :)
Rusty Tucker: DO, just read the files in, and parse the text.
Rusty Tucker: then write out the replacement text. The chat bot should show
you how to do that.
Daniel O'Leary: RT is there an AS command to do replacements? I will have to
look at that to see how it is done on a file.
Rusty Tucker: grab a line of text, break it into items, look at each item,
write out what you want
Michael Davidson: probably easier to REPLACE Rusty, but your way would work
too.
Jim Leary: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Never seen a "replace" command
Michael Davidson: No, he just needs to replace specific words with the User
Name he gets from the UM AE
Rusty Tucker: You can read a file line by line.
Daniel O'Leary: I will also try to make it faster. I think the speed suffers
because of the number of file I/O's I am doing.
Rusty Tucker: Then break each line into words ( text items ).
Daniel O'Leary: MD you are right on.
Michael Davidson: use an osax
Rusty Tucker: look at each item, if it is $USER_NAME output the user name,
otherwise output the original item
Daniel O'Leary: UM AE gives me what to put in place of $USER_NAME
Daniel O'Leary: RT I would bet that is very slow.
Rusty Tucker: Yes, it probably is.
Daniel O'Leary: I will try it though, because automatic customization of the
files will save the sysop loads of work.
Rusty Tucker: Who cares if the dogs speaks slowly.
Rusty Tucker: bingo
Daniel O'Leary: RT what happens if two folks reg at the same time?
Rusty Tucker: we only care that he speaks at all
Rusty Tucker: not possible
Daryl Hansen: Rusty, do you think sometime you could show me an example of
what you were talking about when using the "referring URL" command to keep
people in a framed version of MauiMail?
Daniel O'Leary: Cannot? via two nodes?
Andy Daws: Will there ever be a way to hook straight into TF routines
without using AE like Res Nova could do
Rusty Tucker: Only one register at a time.
Rusty Tucker: The second reg waits on the first
Daniel O'Leary: what happens while UM is busy doing the first?
Daryl Hansen: Anything to discourage escaping from frames.
Daniel O'Leary: Ah you answered it.
Rusty Tucker: AD- that's a web server plug-in
Daniel O'Leary: RT another ?
Rusty Tucker: DH- i don't have an example to show.
Rusty Tucker: ga
Daniel O'Leary: Behind a firewall, two or more users connect.
Andy Daws: Don't web server routines have to use AE as well
Daniel O'Leary: what will the SPML log for username show if they cross a
realm.
Rusty Tucker: DO - the firewall is irrelevant
Rusty Tucker: AD- plug-ins are native code
Daniel O'Leary: How does it track the user name?
Rusty Tucker: DO the log will always show the user name as provided by the
browser
Daniel O'Leary: AH, forgot about that one.
Daniel O'Leary: I forgot that the browser remembers.
Michael Davidson: Daniel, the following is from the Profile file:
Daniel O'Leary: Heard that some bad firewalls get this screwed up though.
Michael Davidson: I am a user of this operation.
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3. To encourage others to support the Macintosh as a viable platform for
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Daniel O'Leary: That is a generic profile for my system MD.
Andy Daws: So can you do something like do a game in a chat window without
calling AE to talk to the ChatServer
Daniel O'Leary: It is correct as shipped.
Jim Leary: Hello Rusty...Bruce has a concern. We have 6 nodes, but 2 are for
modems, one for mail and one for port 23. That leaves only 2 for port 1474.
Can we but one single node to make it 7?
Jim Leary: buy
Daniel O'Leary: Sans the TF server version number!
Daniel O'Leary: Do my profile on here to see the difference.
Michael Davidson: But you want something like Name: $USER_NAME
Rusty Tucker: The next point is 10 nodes. You'll get a $250 credit for your
existing 6 nodes.
Rusty Tucker: You can go unlimited for $475, or 10 nodes for $375.
Michael Davidson: <<left the chat>>
Jim Leary: What is the bottom line price for us, already having 6 to upgrade
to 10?
Jim Leary: Oh OK
Daryl Hansen: Rusty, Do you think that Allegro or Sonata will allow more
than 30,000 items to be displayed in a list, so UM can have more than 30,000
accounts?
Daniel O'Leary: I will use $USER_NAME in my files to denote that which will
be replaced by the user's name.
Jim Leary: Those prices include the credit?
Daniel O'Leary: Saw MD just left.
Daniel O'Leary: wonder if he timed out.
Rusty Tucker: no, subtract $250 from them
Rusty Tucker: I don't know yet DH
Daryl Hansen: Okay.
Daniel O'Leary: RT,AD I am going to use RMI in my code.
Daryl Hansen: I'll just hope for the best. See YA!
Jim Leary: Oh so 225 for unlimited or 125 for 10, right?
Rusty Tucker: that's right
Andy Daws: RMI?
Daryl Hansen: <<left the chat>>
Daniel O'Leary: the way I see it, I can set things up so that IM's and
User-to-user chats are not routed to the server once the link is made.
Daniel O'Leary: this will offload them from the server.
Daniel O'Leary: make them much more responsive.
Jim Leary: I e-mailed Jon about my problems. He sent me a SIT plug-in that
wouldn't unstuff, so I'm waiting for a replacement. Keeping my fingers
crossed. I think that flash I see is the light at the end of the tunnel
Daniel O'Leary: Remote method invocation. RMI.
Rusty Tucker: :)
Andy Daws: Ahh yes on your Unix Box?
Daniel O'Leary: AD since it is Java, it will run between the CPUs of the
connecting users, regardless of platform.
Rusty Tucker: Does MRJ support RMI yet?
Daniel O'Leary: The version I am playing with does RT.
Andy Daws: Doesn't it have to run from the same machine the Web server is
on. Security?
Rusty Tucker: Great
Daniel O'Leary: You have the latest codewarrior correct?
Rusty Tucker: really time to go now
Daniel O'Leary: AD, there is a way around that too.
Daniel O'Leary: Okay, RT Take care.
Rusty Tucker: see ya'll
Andy Daws: Are you using it as a Java Server
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