Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, February 24, 1998 11 AM PST.
In attendance:
From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,
Sysops: Juan Jose Tarud, mikael fredriksson, Donald McHose, Bill Gram-Reefer, Michael Davidson, Bob Nunn, Rick Palmer, Daniel O'Leary, Ted Brindle
Rusty Tucker: <<joined the chat>>
Juan Jose Tarud: Hi
Juan Jose Tarud: I need a little help with guestbook.acgi
Juan Jose Tarud: When I try to sign up on the web server log it comes :
Rusty Tucker: hi, which one?
Juan Jose Tarud: 02/24/98 15:49:23 bbs.itn.cl /~Juanjo/guestbook.acgi?name=TESTQ&email=Test&descr
iption=testing+the+guestbook Err! 403 Forbidden
Rusty Tucker: Oh, you cannot put CGI's into user folders.
Juan Jose Tarud: the one you made in 1996
Rusty Tucker: They can only be in the server's main folder.
Rusty Tucker: You should use the SPML Guestbook
Juan Jose Tarud: but if I'm running a virtual hosting
Juan Jose Tarud: where is it
Juan Jose Tarud: it is funny because it has worked sometimes
Rusty Tucker: Its in the sample with the demo and the v5.6 package
Juan Jose Tarud: some people can sign up and other don«t
Rusty Tucker: This > /~Juanjo/guestbook.acgi?
Rusty Tucker: is looking for the Guestbook cgi in the /~Juanjo/ folder, and it cannot be run there.
Juan Jose Tarud: that is the domain www2.punx.cl
Rusty Tucker: Maybe you have one in the web server's root too?
Juan Jose Tarud: check out www2.punx.cl/homepage2.spml and you'll see that it has worked sometimes
Juan Jose Tarud: nope
Rusty Tucker: You'd need to show me the URL's that make it work. Maybe there is a bug.
Rusty Tucker: but a request coming through like someserver.com/~Juanjo/guestbook.acgi? will not work.
Juan Jose Tarud: in http://www2.punx.cl/homepage2.spml I have the link for the guestbook
Juan Jose Tarud: it is not ~juanjo is the directory for punx.cl
Rusty Tucker: what version of TF do you use?
Juan Jose Tarud: 5.6.2
Rusty Tucker: + How do you setup the virtual host, by IP or Host header?
Rusty Tucker: + where is the actual CGI program?
Rusty Tucker: also make sure there is only one copy on your server of guestbook.acgi.
Rusty Tucker: please come to the chat
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Michael Davidson: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: <<joined the chat>>
Donald McHose: Thanx
Rusty Tucker: hey hey!
Bill Gram-Reefer: which chat room should we be in?
Donald McHose: helloooo"a"
Michael Davidson: the other one
Bill Gram-Reefer: <<left the chat>>
Bill Gram-Reefer: <<joined the chat>>
Donald McHose: What other one ?....
Juan Jose Tarud: To set up the virtual hosting by IP do I need to put the BBS's IP?
Michael Davidson: just kidding BGR :)
Bill Gram-Reefer: its in the TF BBS beta folder
Rusty Tucker: I guess here...
Bill Gram-Reefer: MD sent me on a snipe hunt...argghh
Donald McHose: gotcha )
Michael Davidson: LOL
Rusty Tucker: I should join the 2 rooms..
Bill Gram-Reefer: nyuck nyuck nyuck
Juan Jose Tarud: hello?
Bill Gram-Reefer: JJT has a question
Michael Davidson: Is Bob Nunn going to be here
Rusty Tucker: ok , they are both the same now
Rusty Tucker: New stuff for TF User coming!
Donald McHose: How does HE do that !
Rick Palmer: <<joined the chat>>
Bill Gram-Reefer: Juan has question about virtual hosting first
Juan Jose Tarud: again, to set up the virtual hosting by IP do I need to put the BBS's IP?
Michael Davidson: he is HE
Donald McHose: UUUUMMMMM... sorry JJT
Juan Jose Tarud: or some other IP
Rusty Tucker: What do you mean JJT?
Michael Davidson: put the BBS's ip where?
Rusty Tucker: Oh, you need more than one IP, one for each Virtual Host
Bob Nunn: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: The docs show where you put it.
Rusty Tucker: Basically, you setup and IP and domain for each host
Juan Jose Tarud: is it necessary to do that for multihoming?
Michael Davidson: Hey Rick!
Rick Palmer: hey
Rusty Tucker: then create a set of threads to server that IP.
Rick Palmer: !
Juan Jose Tarud: hi bob
Rusty Tucker: Using an IP is using multihoming.
Bob Nunn: Hello, sorry I am late. I see someone is hosting more sites
Rusty Tucker: OK?
Rick Palmer: Unless there is some compelling reason why not conserve IP's and use the virtual hosting
Juan Jose Tarud: I have been running about 15 domains only putting the path to the specific web space
Bill Gram-Reefer: RT, I still host about five other domains on my system, and in Server setting under virtual hosts is till have things like
Rusty Tucker: Yes, using the Host Header virtual hosting is the best way to go these days
Bill Gram-Reefer: votemarkross.com /~votemarkross
Juan Jose Tarud: that's it, I'm using virtual hostings only
Bill Gram-Reefer: where the first is that's guy's domain name and the second tab the place where it lives in UM
Bob Nunn: On high traffic sites you can limit usage by assigning less threads though right?
Rusty Tucker: Right, then don't do anything with the IP's. Link the threads to 0.0.0.0 as the IP address.
Juan Jose Tarud: right, that's why the message of error sent /~juanjo/guestbook.acgi is not on the http://www2.punx.cl server
Juan Jose Tarud: but specify the path to the web space right?
Rusty Tucker: No, you cannot run CGI's from a user's web space.
Rick Palmer: RT? You mean you can limit the number of threads with virtual hosting?
Bob Nunn: But could you from a site set up with IP?
Rusty Tucker: You need to put the CGI in the server's web space, and HREF it by full URL.
Juan Jose Tarud: So RT, you say I should try the guestbook spml?
Rusty Tucker: RP- yes, each IP host has a fixed number of threads.
Bill Gram-Reefer: so i guess I'm still doing it the Victual hosting way instead of the multihoming way?
Rusty Tucker: JJT- yep use SPML, it is safe, so it can be anywhere.
Juan Jose Tarud: THANX you all
Rusty Tucker: yes BGR
Bill Gram-Reefer: any advantage to multihoming over VH?
Rusty Tucker: OK, ready for the new TF User features ?
Michael Davidson: Bob, aren't you the one concerned about HDT 2.5 & HFS+?
Bill Gram-Reefer: no that was Ken
Bob Nunn: Not anymore. Reformatted using the Apple stuff.
Rusty Tucker: IP Multihoming does a better job o f disguising that more than one site is on a single server + it is not reliant on the Host header,
Michael Davidson: HDT says format, then erase disk with apple, HDT will integrate it later
Bob Nunn: The lite version on the boot disk see's more drive types.
Donald McHose: I want to know more! More Rusty.. pleeeze
Michael Davidson: (erase disk with Erase DiskÉ in the Finder that is)
Rusty Tucker: OK!
Bill Gram-Reefer: OK, I'll take a look, More new TF user stuff, please
Rick Palmer: Say Rusty what about these new features in TF User? :)
Rusty Tucker: TF User will gain some new apple events:
Rusty Tucker: - Added "GURL" Apple Event handler for "mailto" URL
Can now specify TF User as the mailto handler in Internet Config
tell application "TeleFinderª/User"
get geturl "mailto:rusty@spiderisland.com?subject=hello"
end tell
- Added "Open Chat" AppleEvent handler..
- Added "Get Download Folder" AppleEvent handler..
- Added "Get Download Folder" AppleEvent handler..
- Added UsersOnline AppleEvent handler..
Rusty Tucker: The niftiest is the first, since TF User can become the mailer for Netscape.
Bill Gram-Reefer: like it works with eudora
Rusty Tucker: That reminds me, I found out that you need to turn on the "Use Internet Config" in Netscape 4 to use an external mailer. Right BGR
Michael Davidson: did you mean to have Get Dload folder twice?
Rusty Tucker: Yes, my mistake
Bill Gram-Reefer: Does one have to use internet config to do mailto with Netscape?
Rusty Tucker: yes , as far as I can tell BGR
Bill Gram-Reefer: oy
Rusty Tucker: Get DL folder works like:
Rusty Tucker: tell application "TeleFinderª/User"
set DownloadFolder to Get Download Directory
end tell
tell application "Finder"
open DownloadFolder
end tell
Rusty Tucker: So when you forget where your files went, you cant let the script show you
Michael Davidson: cool, I like the UsersONline one too
Rusty Tucker: The other 2 should be nice for a login type script, so you can get those items to show up automatically
Rusty Tucker: Or run a scrip to periodically update the users online
Rusty Tucker: The next is Quoting...
Michael Davidson: now, if you could say, if Rusty is online, do .... that would be nice
Michael Davidson: Quoting!!!!!!
Rusty Tucker: :)
Juan Jose Tarud: quoting is the best feature you can add right now
Rusty Tucker: There are 3 options..
Rusty Tucker: Quote Entire Message, Quote Selected Text, Quote Nothing
Rusty Tucker: it makes a quote like:
Rusty Tucker: On 2/24/98 12:59 AM, Andy Daws wrote:
>>When does it drop into Macsbugs?
>
>>>The find box does not appear at all once the menu item is selected and
>the bug is reproducible
>
> As soon as the Menu item is selected ^^^^
>
>Andy
Bill Gram-Reefer: what will they think of next?
Michael Davidson: Lovely!
Rick Palmer: what will I do with magic bullets now?
Bill Gram-Reefer: what rev of TF User will these lovely adds show up in?
Rusty Tucker: 5.6.2b3
Rusty Tucker: later today
Juan Jose Tarud: I was used to magic bullets but I really don't care now :-)
Rusty Tucker: I think I will make quote entire message the default
Donald McHose: Just put the bullets next to the magic arrows
Michael Davidson: Can we modify, the first line "Like on <date>, Andy Daws was overheard saying"
Bill Gram-Reefer: OK what else<g>
Rusty Tucker: :) that's all for today
Michael Davidson: Can we set line length of quotes.
Rusty Tucker: TF stores them as STR resources, I don't have any UI to modify it though.
Rusty Tucker: STR 275-278 has
Rusty Tucker: On
Rusty Tucker: ,
Rusty Tucker: wrote:
Rusty Tucker: and
Rusty Tucker: >
Juan Jose Tarud: is there a way to make an mail Out Box that stores the sent messages?
Michael Davidson: Thank you very much for Quoting feature Rusty!!! I think it will be very useful to thousands of TF users
Rusty Tucker: You might thank Chris too, I'm not sure.
Rusty Tucker: I was digging around and found some unfinished support for quoting in the code.
Juan Jose Tarud: what about the PC version?
Michael Davidson: Now, speaking of mail, I would love the option of my mail to come into conference like format, instead of files in a mailbox. You could view your email by list view. It would take some modifications of the conference type thread, but it might not be too difficult
Rusty Tucker: I haven't changed it to match yet, it still quotes the selected text
Rusty Tucker: I've been thinking about mail, but have not decided what to do yet.
Bob Nunn: Did you get my forward button on this one.
Michael Davidson: Think hard rusty, think hard!
Rusty Tucker: no, but I've got a list Bob!
Donald McHose: God one Bob!
Donald McHose: Ah that was good-one
Juan Jose Tarud: Rusty, isn't there a way to make TF save the sent messages automatically as Eudora for example?
Michael Davidson: Use OAT Juan
Rusty Tucker: Yes, JJ, but there is not any code yet to support that.
Rick Palmer: I've noticed that no matter what ya do....Michael and Dan always are a but what about...... :)
Rusty Tucker: :)
Juan Jose Tarud: But oat leaves it on the server and is uses a lot of HD...I mean a feature that leaves it on the users hard drive
Michael Davidson: The conference like threading of email would do that
Michael Davidson: o, good point Juan
Rusty Tucker: The first issue is whether to keep the storage on the server, client or both.
Bill Gram-Reefer: what about IMAP features?
Rusty Tucker: Client side makes it simpler to implement.
Michael Davidson: I would be happy with client side
Juan Jose Tarud: of course...
Bob Nunn: I would as well.
Rusty Tucker: But server side lets the user move around and have a consistent mail box
Rick Palmer: I'd die if it wasn't client side.....
Rusty Tucker: Yeah, I bet :)
Donald McHose: That should be on a case by case user basis ,up to the sysop.
Bob Nunn: It is something to consider for people who use 1 machine for several users. Bob Wright would probably vote for server side then.
Michael Davidson: Start with client side, then implement sysop allowing some to use server side for certain clients
Rusty Tucker: That's why AOL deletes your mail if its been there too long
Juan Jose Tarud: but if we are talking of 250 user that send at least 3 or 4 e-mails a day + the ones they leave stored
Rick Palmer: not to mention 4000 users.......
Juan Jose Tarud: THAT's ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AOL SUCKS!
Michael Davidson: Have an option SOON in TF/User to save sent mail, then....
Rusty Tucker: IMAP essentially puts your mail spool on the server, including sub-mailboxes. Maybe that's why it hasn't caught on?
Michael Davidson: work on code to allow server side option for sysop on a client by client basis
Rick Palmer: It will be better when HFS+ is stable...right now I burn 60k for each file
Rusty Tucker: that hurts!
Bill Gram-Reefer: Well I'm just now starting to use filters on Eudora 4. 0 and like the idea of saving sent mail to a particular folder with user definable parameters
Michael Davidson: Would it be hard to implement client side now Rusty?
Rusty Tucker: time to partition what you've got
Rick Palmer: 4 gig drives
Juan Jose Tarud: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: The filters are a very nice feature.
Juan Jose Tarud: <<joined the chat>>
Rick Palmer: ya I did but it became really hard to manage and the single partitions are more stable and I don't use them up...so right now its not a priority...but if I was saving mail.... 8 |
Bob Nunn: safer anyway to partition. HFS+ though will help us all out. I am waiting on my boot drives until Norton is up to speed.
Michael Davidson: Nothing fancy...if the client has the option on, save all mail in folders in a Sent Mail folder on his machine.
Juan Jose Tarud: what about something like the out box on eudora
Rusty Tucker: brb
Michael Davidson: Or to fancy it up a little, have the option of "Ask each time" so the user can choose whether to save a copy to his hard drive or not
Bill Gram-Reefer: So is Claris e-mailer dead now?
Donald McHose: Q? Why would one save mail sent?
Michael Davidson: No final word from Apple BGR, I hope not
Juan Jose Tarud: I don't like Claris e-mailer at all
Michael Davidson: I do a lot Donald
Donald McHose: k
Bill Gram-Reefer: Apple could go back to its roots and call it MacMail!
Michael Davidson: I like Emailer a lot
Juan Jose Tarud: DM, when someone replies with no quoted message for example and you don's remember that you wrote
Donald McHose: gots ta run for the kids.See Ya'll
Michael Davidson: Very scriptable, and you can get mail from many different locations. And you can respond automatically to email with given parameters
Donald McHose: Right JJT ! thanx
Donald McHose: <<left the chat>>
Daniel O'Leary: <<joined the chat>>
Daniel O'Leary: Damn!
Michael Davidson: How many people could live now with only a client side saving of email built into TF/User?
Daniel O'Leary: I could not get on!!!
Juan Jose Tarud: hi Dan
Daniel O'Leary: Rusty... There is something wrong with your server... I could ping it and finger to see ports were open, but could NOT login.
Ted Brindle: <<joined the chat>>
Michael Davidson: Rusty is away for a minute Daniel
Rick Palmer: Rusty's away...maybe looking into it
Daniel O'Leary: It also refused a telnet to 1474.
Juan Jose Tarud: I have a lot of users have asked me about that feature.
Rick Palmer: If I was saving mail for people I'd need a max space allowed feature too
Michael Davidson: I think TF/User needs both quoting and forwarding and saving sent mail features.
Bill Gram-Reefer: why can't mail delete when user reads it?
Michael Davidson: That would be server side though Rick. I want RT to at least give us client side.
Daniel O'Leary: bad. bill.
Bill Gram-Reefer: whimper
Juan Jose Tarud: what about the PC version too
Daniel O'Leary: You do not know if the user has SAVED it.
Bill Gram-Reefer: that's their problem. Geez.
Michael Davidson: or really read it yet, may have just glanced over it
Bill Gram-Reefer: it's their mail not yours
Daniel O'Leary: or even if they successfully READ it.
Michael Davidson: I like to decide when I trash mail
Juan Jose Tarud: most of the users store their e-mail to keep addresses
Rick Palmer: If I can control the size of the member account I can live with server side...
Ted Brindle: It could delete on a successful download, but that could defeat some of the reasons for why people use a BBS.
Michael Davidson: yeah, that reminds me of another feature, a button to save the email address of the sender into the address book
Daniel O'Leary: Download to what TTY or something more permanent.
Daniel O'Leary: Not a good idea.
Michael Davidson: It does delete on download if you use the auto feature Ted
Ted Brindle: How many people have included a server side search engine with their site?
Ted Brindle: Autofeatures are cool.
Michael Davidson: Not I
Bill Gram-Reefer: not I
Daniel O'Leary: i do.3
Daniel O'Leary: but it is in dev..
Michael Davidson: Yes Rick, that would be a necessary feature of server side...max space allowed
Ted Brindle: I want to know a way to use the meta tag to develop a search that will include conference areas.
Michael Davidson: Do you use OAT Ted?
Juan Jose Tarud: MD what if the user is on vacations an gets a lot of e-mail?
Daniel O'Leary: the meta tag is not part of the msg contents...
Ted Brindle: I have not implemented it yet.
Ted Brindle: I know.
Juan Jose Tarud: you can give him limited space
Michael Davidson: I am talking about saved SENT mail JJT, I'm not sure that your question is relevant, or am I wrong
Bob Nunn: We should have the ability to put a reply.txt file in the pub folders for vacations
Juan Jose Tarud: but what about the incoming messages
Juan Jose Tarud: that's a cool feature Bob
Michael Davidson: Currently, there is no limit on incoming messages JJT
Rusty Tucker: > could ping it and finger to see ports were open, but could NOT login.
Michael Davidson: That would be nice Bob, make sure RT hears that one
Daniel O'Leary: Yes!
Rusty Tucker: we're maxed on user connections now
Juan Jose Tarud: MD I still think it is better for the e-mail to be stored on the user's hd
Daniel O'Leary: You were not when I tried to come in.
Michael Davidson: I agree JJT
Daniel O'Leary: tcp8 and 11 were free.
Bob Nunn: It's an old one. I think Chris had done it in an older version.
Ted Brindle: Actually, Michael I was thinking of using EWS since it is freeware. Do you have a better recommendation? Where do I look ? What is OAT?
Juan Jose Tarud: BOB has been talking about this feature long time ago
Michael Davidson: I'm not disputing that, but there are those clients that may need server side
Rusty Tucker: probably there were gateways on those
Daniel O'Leary: did not show up on finger!!!
Rusty Tucker: I think gateways are masked off of Finger
Juan Jose Tarud: MD that for incoming stored mail and the other for the outgoing mail
Bob Nunn: Forward button and spell check. That's really the main things I would like to see.
Michael Davidson: OAT might already do what you want. It is from Highlander. OAT is online Assistant for Telefinder. It is in the BBS Utilities folder
Daniel O'Leary: server opened then closed the connection.
Daniel O'Leary: client just sat there.
Rick Palmer: What is EWS
Bill Gram-Reefer: would one charge more for server-side?
Rusty Tucker: TB- you can add meta -tags into the templates.
Juan Jose Tarud: Bill, I don't think users might like that
Rick Palmer: Kinda tough to get a key for OAT
Daniel O'Leary: I have told ken to get your key or else, RP.
Michael Davidson: They are working on a OAT lite, which might have just the features you need
Rick Palmer: Ted...what is EWS
Rick Palmer: thanks Dan
Michael Davidson: Ken, of Highlander systems is usually here at these chats
Rusty Tucker: Reply.txt needs some other features to support it, like filtering. Otherwise you'll spam listservers with your vacation announcement.
Ted Brindle: Thanks Rusty. I just sent a purchase order for an upgrade to TF and for the Mail Plugin. Will the templates folder allow a search of conference areas and individual messages? Will OAT help me with web functions?
Juan Jose Tarud: I have been trying to reach Ken Sutherland for about 2 months to purchase OAT but no reply
Daniel O'Leary: the current FS plugin does not do msgs.
Bob Nunn: I am sure we wouldn't be the only ones spamming them. I hadn't thought of that one though.
Rusty Tucker: I don't know if it will help searching. It will help customizing.
Michael Davidson: He is usually here JJT, catch him live at these chats
Daniel O'Leary: i am working that now...
Ted Brindle: EWS is Excite for Web Servers. I do not know if it will cause TF to crash. I see a notice that says it will cause some web servers to crash.
Rusty Tucker: If you need to add a <META> tag, that's the place to do it.
Bill Gram-Reefer: who do i talk to about the mail plugin?
Daniel O'Leary: Ken or Jon BGR.
Michael Davidson: Ken, or Jonathan BGR, who aren't here
Daniel O'Leary: Do you need a key or do you have a problem with it.
Daniel O'Leary: Ken calls my system several times a day.
Rusty Tucker: www.spiderisland.com/hdsmail/
Rusty Tucker: Is EWS a W* Plug-in or CGI?
Michael Davidson: So Rusty, what do you think about a Save Sent Mail option in TF/User for client side saving of mail. Later, you could work on the more complicated server side.
Rick Palmer: I've been testing search engines but haven't found one that's really stable
Juan Jose Tarud: IO had a free key...now I wanna buy it
Rick Palmer: where do you get EWS Ted?
Rusty Tucker: No specific commitments MD. Mail is getting a lot of though right now.
Rusty Tucker: thought
Michael Davidson: The only extra feature that would be extra nice would be the option of being asked whether to save after each email sent
Ted Brindle: Scrap the EWS comment. I just looked up the web page and it appears it is not available on the MACOS.
Daniel O'Leary: I like Kens suggestion of using the HTML mail std to do styles over the net.
Juan Jose Tarud: or to save it automatically on the user's hd
Ted Brindle: http://www.excite.com/navigate/download.cgi I am looking at this site.
Daniel O'Leary: how hard to do that Rusty?
Michael Davidson: I am very glad to hear that Rusty. And very happy that you have already done the quoting thing. Thanks!
Rusty Tucker: Probably very hard without converting TF's native format to MIME
Bob Nunn: Ted, Ken says their search engine will be back in the next version of OAT. I had stability problems with everything I have tried as well.
Rusty Tucker: Then you need an HTML editor to boot :)
Daniel O'Leary: BN, I am currently testing the HDS SE.
Bob Nunn: and so far...???
Daniel O'Leary: RT, Why not just use simple mappings to do to/from TF/User styles.
Juan Jose Tarud: I gotta go...bye all
Rusty Tucker: see ya JJ
Daniel O'Leary: It still needs some work..
Bob Nunn: Bye JJT
Juan Jose Tarud: and thanx for helping
Juan Jose Tarud: <<left the chat>>
Ted Brindle: I have a meeting to attend. Thanks for the chat.
Ted Brindle: <<left the chat>>
Daniel O'Leary: I know that fonts might be a bit more complex, but I think still doable
Michael Davidson: Hey Jim Smith's not here. That's unusual
Daniel O'Leary: Hmm, maybe more channels are in order...
Rusty Tucker: With HTML as mail, most of TF's mail UI would change. We'd need to look like PageMill instead of simple text.
Daniel O'Leary: Ah, but the possibilities...
Daniel O'Leary: Settling for the crude IF that Netscape has would be a start.
Michael Davidson: I would rather you focused on better, simple communication aspects than fancy ones.
Bob Nunn: like spell check and a forward button ;-)
Michael Davidson: Things like inbox, outbox, forward, reply, quote, etc.
Daniel O'Leary: I'm not looking for full-blown implementation of an HTML authoring system.
Michael Davidson: yes bob, like that. Although spell check is a little much
Daniel O'Leary: But I do want a comparable appearance when reading mail from TF or from web clients.
Bob Nunn: I just want to be able to send my .spml pages up without having to delete the old ones. Maybe even open them online?
Rusty Tucker: -- plain text :)
Daniel O'Leary: Nah... Lest common denominator approach blech...
Daniel O'Leary: like B& W pages.
Daniel O'Leary: : )
Michael Davidson: But, TF can be a complete system for many businesses, if it had better fundamental email capabilities.
Daniel O'Leary: It would probably lend itself to being able to view your html/spml for within TF user...
Daniel O'Leary: Anyone played with RDB to/From TF sans FM pro?
Michael Davidson: I think that is why RT is thinking hard about email! :)
Daniel O'Leary: I get a lot of HTML formatted email now...
Daniel O'Leary: from business, that is also why I think that it is important to handle it.
Michael Davidson: Isn't it annoying Dan :)
Daniel O'Leary: No MD.
Daniel O'Leary: I like it.
Daniel O'Leary: Wish TF/User rendered it.
Michael Davidson: Maybe RT can have an AppleEvent that sends it to an HTML reader...for now
Rusty Tucker: The serial number is not a secret
Daniel O'Leary: Wonder when RT will come out with TF Server "channels"... grin...
Rick Palmer: Oooh...Front Page hooks!
Daniel O'Leary: He already has one that will launch NS if you download an HTML file.
Daniel O'Leary: but reading an html msg might be tricky but cool.
Michael Davidson: But then he could let somebody else handle email html
Michael Davidson: And wouldn't have to make such drastic changes to current email
Rick Palmer: RT...could you only need one chat session to keep you busy for the next 30 years! :)
Daniel O'Leary: That means a clunky/slow hand off.
Michael Davidson: And we know RT is nothing if not Tricky!
Rusty Tucker: he he!
Daniel O'Leary: not very good for reading mail msgs that are a mix between types.
Daniel O'Leary: means having 2 windows open to read mail.
Daniel O'Leary: not very UI efficient.
Michael Davidson: The HTML reader would be responsible for handling mixed
Bob Nunn: I pulled down a dozen different web pages to my workstation from my web folder on my system. Opened 7 different programs in about 3 minutes. I guess I need to save all my file types out in one format.
Daniel O'Leary: the read does not know what is what as it comes over the wire.
Daniel O'Leary: reader...
Rusty Tucker: BN - just change the mapping in Internet Config or TF's helpers.config
Bill Gram-Reefer: maybe TF user could read html?
Daniel O'Leary: AH, you are now where I am BGR...
Rusty Tucker: helloooo?? L:)
Bob Nunn: Yep figured that out after doing it. Thought it was funny. Hadn't considered it when I downloaded them.
Bill Gram-Reefer: not for browsing just for mail
Michael Davidson: Would you rather have quoting,etc. or html reading?
Bill Gram-Reefer: one now, the other later
Daniel O'Leary: Quoting never bothered me.
Michael Davidson: Agreed BGR
Daniel O'Leary: I can do it now...
Daniel O'Leary: With TF/user as is.
Michael Davidson: Can all your clients Dan? Easily
Bob Nunn: I expect that html messages are going to become a trend.
Daniel O'Leary: HTML email is a different beast.
mikael fredriksson: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Yes, HTML email will finally take over for plain text
Daniel O'Leary: Not all users have the resources to have both a browser AND an email client up.
Rusty Tucker: and it will start to get very complicated too.
Rusty Tucker: Forms, images just like any web page.
Michael Davidson: There are smaller html readers than NS
Daniel O'Leary: It is already there... RT.
Daniel O'Leary: They all would occupy screen disk and space in the users mind.
Michael Davidson: It would be nice to let others handle such complicated html email Rusty.
Rusty Tucker: Apple needs to make SimpleHTML part of the OS right along with SimpleText -- just like MS
Michael Davidson: How can you allow them to hook in
Michael Davidson: Yes, RT, that would be nice. Does apple plan to do it?
Rusty Tucker: I see I have a lot of work to do.... Gotta go!
Daniel O'Leary: If you used HTML as the basis of TF/User styled text, that would be a start.
February 24, 1998
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