Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, March 10, 1998 11 AM PST.
In attendance:
From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,
Sysops: Donald McHose, Bill Gram-Reefer, Michael Davidson, mikael fredriksson, Jim Smith, Bob Nunn, Daryl Hansen, Rick Palmer
Telefinder User: spartus
Rusty Tucker hola!
Donald McHose hiya!
Rusty Tucker - there, that's better!
Donald McHose Good, what's better? yes I'm late as usual ;-)
Rusty Tucker Does anyone use the "Option" open in TeleFinder User to show only the 'bold items'?
Rusty Tucker Or can I change that to "tunnel" like Finder?
Donald McHose I use option open for changing BBS's.If that is what you are getting at.
Rusty Tucker ( tunnel -> where it closes the parent window when it opens the new window )
Rusty Tucker No, this is when you're online opening an icon.
Donald McHose Oh , sorry , nope I guess I never have.I just click my icons.
Bill Gram-Reefer I prefer tunnel....i think
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Michael!
Rusty Tucker my bot's on a first-name basis now
Michael Davidson Hey, I see you parsed my name
Michael Davidson So is mine!
Donald McHose learn something every session
Rusty Tucker I I just changed the script to :
Rusty Tucker set firstName to word 1 of fromUser
return "Welcome to the " & gChatRoomName & " chat " & firstName & "!"
Michael Davidson I think I can word correct in chat too now. 1000 of the most commonly misspelled words....haven't implemented it yet
Rusty Tucker cool!
Michael Davidson Me to, exactly the same wording
Rusty Tucker I had to change the outgoing filter too.
Michael Davidson Also, did you notice you had the join chat and leave chat titles backwards
Rusty Tucker too set numWords to (count text items in wordList)
repeat with x from 1 to numWords
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Bob!
Michael Davidson It should be changed slightly, the contains and is are wrong in some of the examples
Rusty Tucker it used to count words, and that messes it up
Bill Gram-Reefer but you can't tunnel from BBS desktop cause it would close connection
Rusty Tucker Right, just like you can't tunnel from the Finder desktop
Rusty Tucker I don't know what that would do :), maybe suck the mac into a black hole
Bill Gram-Reefer he's slow but he gets there eventually
Michael Davidson Hey rusty, can we talk about MS and AS for a few minutes?
Rusty Tucker Sure
Michael Davidson I would like MS to send an AppleEvent when it gets mail from a finite list (as given in a text file).
Michael Davidson It would send the event and send the address and that is all
Michael Davidson sorry, a finite list of addresses
Rusty Tucker When which part of MS gets mail?
Michael Davidson When it gets incoming email from anywhere
Rusty Tucker Or would it be a different list for each gateway?
Michael Davidson Hmmm, I guess that might be useful too, I was thinking global
Rusty Tucker How do you define "from" in the list?
Michael Davidson If the address is FROM: joe@hisdomain.com would set it off
Michael Davidson I suppose a wild card like *@hotmail.com would work for spamming
Rusty Tucker So you want this apple event to fire off even if a gateway is processing the mail for some other site?
Rusty Tucker Or only when MS is about to deliver it to a mailbox at your site?
Michael Davidson Got a good point there
Michael Davidson I guess only when it is trying to deliver to a point at my site
Rusty Tucker OK, then the AE fires off, then what? Can the script stop delivery, or re-route?
Michael Davidson I would also want a special event (not necessary but desirable) for mail TRYING to go to my site but no user found
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Jim!
Michael Davidson Another good question!!!
Michael Davidson That would be real nice, but if it just found out that an address had been mailed to would be okay
Rusty Tucker Yeah, I've spent a lot of time thinking about filters for Mail Server, and where they should be.
Rusty Tucker There are a lot of filter points that could be attached too.
Michael Davidson I am thinking of making it easy for mail list serving and auto replying for specific addresses
Michael Davidson It would make it very easy for list serving, without having the pain of folder watching, which is kind of a pain
Rusty Tucker make what easy for list serving?
Michael Davidson An applescript could easily handle list serving with MS telling it when it got certain address info
Rusty Tucker ? you mean "being a listserv" or not replying to them?
Michael Davidson RT wrote: "OK, then the AE fires off, then what? Can the script stop delivery, or re-route?" I would say, if the mail is to an address in a given list, MS serves it to the Applescript and it takes from there
Michael Davidson Being
Rusty Tucker You don't need any of this to be a listserv.
Michael Davidson And I suppose, stopping mail from replying to them too, now that you mention it
Michael Davidson Do you mean run a listserv separately?
Rusty Tucker No, making a listserv program, or even a script.
Donald McHose client named listserve,then forward all incoming to whom ever.
Rusty Tucker Just write files to mailserver in RFC822 format
Rusty Tucker that's how the SPML mailer works
Rusty Tucker To: user@domain
Rusty Tucker From: user@domain
Rusty Tucker Subject: yada yada yada
Rusty Tucker
Rusty Tucker
Michael Davidson Sorry, big mistake on my part, I was thinking of mailing lists going into conferences
Rusty Tucker As long as you provide those 3 headers, MS will fill in the rest
Rusty Tucker OK- re-routing to a Topic is a little different.
Michael Davidson Or to an auto reply script (sysop controlled)
Rusty Tucker If you get something working based on the "watch folder" method, it will be easy to optimize it using a notification event.
Michael Davidson In that way, somebody could mail to Info@domain.com, and get specific info auto sent back
Michael Davidson There is an app called Watch Folder (I think), that helps AS's watch folders
Rusty Tucker Same with that. You don't really need new events to make this work, the events will just optimize it.
Michael Davidson I would rather have an AS app running that took an AE from MS and then did it's thing
Rusty Tucker Unless you have extremely high volume, it won't make any difference.
Rusty Tucker Say you want to route MacWay into a topic. Just setup a "MacWay" user
Rusty Tucker set a script to watch it's mail folder every half hour or 5 minutes, or ??
Rusty Tucker Then when mail arrives, write it back to mail server with an X-Local-Path header
Rusty Tucker to send it to a specified topic.
Rusty Tucker ( not sure if that's the exact header name )
Rusty Tucker You don't even need to parse the message
Rusty Tucker just copy the whole thing in after the topic path header.
Michael Davidson I believe that is correct about Topics, and I intend to do just that, but....
Michael Davidson I guess I was thinking that if MS could send an AE when mail to specific addresses came in, it would be cleaner, and could be useful for many other things
Michael Davidson But you are correct, all this can be done by watching folders
Donald McHose brb
Rusty Tucker MD - I'm still thinking about how I'd like to handle filtering and such via MS. Some sort of notification will be part of it for sure.
Michael Davidson I think if you could have a incoming address list and maybe an outgoing address list that MS looks at, then notifies, it would really open up a lot of possibilities for the already strong MS
Rusty Tucker You should get started by watching the folders. When you have those extensions running, we'll probably get a better idea about how MS could better support filters like that.
Michael Davidson Ok...One thing, the global MS outgoing filter would help if you ever have auto replying by TF/Users
Michael Davidson It could filter listservers maybe
Michael Davidson (While you're thinking of the filtering with MS, don't forget to maybe have a special notification for "user not found")
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Rick!
Rusty Tucker Early in the chat I ask about TF's "Option Open Icon"
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Rick!
Rusty Tucker Would it be OK if I changed that to "tunnel" like Finder?
Bob Nunn RT: can you expound on what is the best way (or options) to move form data to email.
mikael fredriksson yes
Michael Davidson Option Open folders I presume you mean
Rusty Tucker I think I will put tunneling into the next Beta and see what the feed back is.
Rusty Tucker right MD
Michael Davidson Option open files should, if anything, close the folder of the file after opening it
Rusty Tucker Forms from the Web BN?
Bob Nunn Yes, have large output and need to know way for email to make more sense to end user without having to import.
Rusty Tucker There is an SPML command that will dump the full form and data into email.
Bob Nunn I guess I missed that one?
Rusty Tucker #mailform?
Rusty Tucker maybe #mailargs is it
Bob Nunn I will review it again. Is that how the applications are sent from the web bbs. I am using mailargs.
Bob Nunn It sends the data but not the original form info. On small things like name address city state etc it is self explanatory but for large forms the answers don't make sense without the questions.
Rusty Tucker hmm, yeah I think that's it
Bob Nunn Okay will look for it.
Rusty Tucker mailargs will let you selectively pull data from the form.
Rusty Tucker
Rusty Tucker email and name are form field names
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat spartus!
spartus hi
Bob Nunn So I just need it to print the data names?
Michael Davidson I see your bot doesn't yet capitalize first names Rusty! :)
spartus I'm just learning how to use this software it is pretty cool
Rusty Tucker Yes, you can add any headers you want
Bob Nunn That was the solution I needed and it is so simple.
Rusty Tucker spartus, are you a TeleFinder sysop, or user on a TeleFinder BBS.
spartus a user
Rusty Tucker BN- you can also embed line breaks by putting a return between "
Bob Nunn Figured that one out but by trial and error.
mikael fredriksson Any one that have had trouble with HDS mail plugin and debug versions of TF (the new HDS 1.01b1 works ok you don't get in macsbug every time you use it)
Michael Davidson No way for Bob to get the field names automatically entered though, correct?
spartus what is the most popular mac bbs?
Rusty Tucker TeleFinder :)!
Michael Davidson Around here Spartus, it's TeleFinder for sure.
Donald McHose MF:Zero trouble with it yet but I am not running the new beta TF Server.
spartus ok
Michael Davidson Rusty, got a question about ChatFilter now.
Rusty Tucker ok
Donald McHose MF:So far the new plug-in is great,but as Bob asked, untested with pc,s&IE on my end.
Michael Davidson Can it currently send the text of a user?
Rusty Tucker what is that?
Michael Davidson I want to make a Help Chat room
Rusty Tucker Yes, you mean auto-reply i think
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Michael Davidson The text that a user sends
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Bob!
Michael Davidson Not the outgoing text
Rusty Tucker Check "-- A U T 0 - R E P L Y U S E R M E S S A G E ?"
Rusty Tucker What ever the script returns from that is sent back to the user
Michael Davidson Shoot :), I missed that (it just had logger and I overlooked it)
Rusty Tucker "-- F I L T E R U S E R M E S S A G E ?" tells TeleFinder whether it should put their message on your screen, even if you don't you can still auto-reply.
Bill Gram-Reefer see you on the 24th
spartus have you tried Hotline?
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Michael Davidson Got ya! imdt
Rusty Tucker Right, imData holds the text they sent you
Michael Davidson Also, how many characters can be sent at a time in chats?
Rusty Tucker yes spartus, why?
Rusty Tucker 1K
spartus just wondering its a good piece of software too
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Daryl!
Donald McHose RT:Catch the note I sent ya from Chuck in the Apple-net server-list?
Daryl Hansen Aloha Rusty.
Rusty Tucker Yes, I saw that earlier, thanks
Rusty Tucker It was on W*Dev too
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Bob Nunn I thought Daryl and Donald were the same person. Never seen them in the same room together?
Donald McHose Thought so.I Just don't sub to that list.
Donald McHose Ha...
Daryl Hansen Hehe, I am Usually mistaken for Darin
Donald McHose Daryl,Daryl and Daryl..Not!
Daryl Hansen Hey now!
Daryl Hansen I never did like that show.
Rusty Tucker any last q's before we wrap for today?
Daryl Hansen Yes
Michael Davidson Go for the option open folder RT, we'll try it!
Rick Palmer does the Win TF users attempt to delete files
Daryl Hansen I read in the last chat log that you found a bug in HDS mail?
Rick Palmer with dup names?
mikael fredriksson yes there is beta of HDS 1.01b1 here on SI
Rusty Tucker right, it was tripping the debug code in the recent TeleFinder Server beta's.
Daryl Hansen Is that the crash bug that I am experiencing?
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Daryl Hansen thanks!
mikael fredriksson Yes if you use one of the new beta versions of TF and HDS 1.0
Daryl Hansen So HDS 1.01 b1 fixes this?
Rick Palmer does the Win TF users attempt to delete files with dup names?
Rusty Tucker the bug looks like this:
Rusty Tucker User break at 0256B2C8 SIDebugBreak(const char*, ...)+000BC
block error (3) at (f3f3f3f3)
Rusty Tucker when you see that block error, its TeleFinder catching bug before it can crash the system
Donald McHose Is that from HDS 1.01b1?
Rusty Tucker RP - not yet.
mikael fredriksson no 1.0
Michael Davidson They have to manually delete them first probably Rick
mikael fredriksson My system works ok now no bombs with HDS 1.01b1
Rusty Tucker B1 fixes a bug that occurred every time the error page come up
Donald McHose Whew!
Michael Davidson I assume you are worried about web page files Rick
Rusty Tucker B1 still trips in some other circumstances though.
Daryl Hansen I will look for the error in my Macsbug Logs.
Daryl Hansen Hmmmm.
Rick Palmer ya....I have ftp running because the old timers hate to delete then upload
Rick Palmer new people don't know the diff.... :)
Donald McHose I hope I do not see the circumstance soon.I am away on the road right now ;-(
Bob Nunn Rusty says he will fix that soon right Rusty?
Daryl Hansen RP- RT is gonna fix that!
Rusty Tucker RP - the next rev will support the transfer and replace.
Daryl Hansen YES!
Rusty Tucker just like the current Mac version does
Rick Palmer figured it was just a matter of time
Michael Davidson Tell em to get a Mac Rick!
Bob Nunn I have to run RT> Please send up the log. See you guys next time. Thanks.
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker I want to get the Mac version done, then move onto the win rev.
Daryl Hansen later BN
Rusty Tucker Time for me to go.
mikael fredriksson RT any more bugs you know of in HDS that are "serious" ?
Michael Davidson Thanks Rusty
Donald McHose Me too...see you guys later
Daryl Hansen Thanks RT Have a good one!
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker Not that I'm aware of.
Rusty Tucker bye
March 10, 1998
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